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[edit] Listing of major missing items

All this material comes from the regular Western media - and much of it from Israeli or pro-Israel sources. There appears to be no reliable source or neutral point of view objection to including every part of it. Much of the material currently in the article is both less well-sourced and given undue weight. Some of our material (like the death-toll) is simply false.

  1. Ariel Sharons told the world's media that "Palestinians must be hit ... must cause them losses, victims - 5th March 2002, a month before the incursions, before the surge of suicide bombings. This statement was criticised by Colin Powell and Time linked it directly to the military action that followed.
  2. Sharons advisor told the UN special envoy, Terje Roed-Larsen that he "has no business whatsoever to tell us what is right or wrong".
  3. Three refrigerated trailers in the camp while all observers were excluded - there's no secret, Israel told us about them.
  4. Israel told us it would bury up to 200 bodies in a "special cemetry in the Jordan valley" (ie closed military zone).
  5. Clips from the interview given by the bulldozer driver to an Israeli newspaper - he boasts of not caring for the civilian deaths he believe he caused.
  6. Ian Hook, chief of the reconstruction project, killed by the IDF in suspicious circumstances on 22nd Nov 2002. Reference the Irish woman who returned to Jenin and was shot in the thigh by the IDF.
  7. Account of the third "international observer/human rights" group that made a visit and presented a "Jenin Investigation", still finding complete bodies in August.
  8. Massacre reported in careful detail, with soldiers identified, Amnesty and the Independent newspaper.
  9. Allegations included in the UN report that the Israelis mined the refugee camp before they left.
  10. Mention that this particular action in Jenin refugee camp was only part of a series of armed incursions. Israel was killing people in and around Jenin camp even when long curfews were supposedly lifted.
Small improvements made - some of the most glaring of these omissions have sometimes been corrected, and their presence accepted even by those who've previously deleted them. However, at this time, each of the improvements I've spotted has been undone again. PRtalk 11:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Jenin

  • The official PA estimate of the total death toll as shown in the UN report is 497 for all the incursions on the West Bank (the current official figure may be be 380, not sure). The "56" number supposedly from the PA appears only in two very dubious sources, far below the standard of anything we should be using. The "52" number is not, as often alleged, the number of deaths stated by anyone other than Israel (claiming to have got it from the HRW report, which they did not). 52 is not the number stated by HRW, and it is not the number stated by the UN. See this table for some of the available estimates made throughout the incident.
  • Add the words of Sharon (5th March, a month before the incursions, in fact before the surge of suicide bombings) "Palestinians must be hit and it must be very painful ... We must cause them losses, victims, so that they feel a heavy price." The fact that these incursions were intended to be punitive on the whole population should probably be in the lead.
  • Add adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (Zalmon Shoval) told the BBC on 18th April that the United Nations special envoy, Terje Roed-Larsen "has no business whatsoever to tell us what is right or wrong". This is while the UN is preparing to come and investigate and before it's barred from doing so.
  • Add mention of the small massacre that is credibly reported. See [1] (and the Independent newspaper).
  • Add the story of the three refrigerated trailers that were driven into the camp during the period that all observers (and medical attention) were excluded for 4/5/6/7 days. Israel announced it - this repoted by one of the few newspapers in the UK not accused by watch.windsofchange.net of being taken in by Palestinian propaganda. And an Israeli newspaper confirmed the three trailers story.
  • Add the Israeli report that planned to bury up to 200 bodies in a "special cemetry in the Jordan valley" (ie closed military zone).
  • Add clips from the interview given by the bulldozer driver to an Israeli newspaper.
  • Add an account of the third "international observer/human rights" group that made a visit and presented a "Jenin Investigation".
  • Add the Jordanian allegation included in the UN report that the Israelis mined the refugee camp before they left, causing many further casualties.
  • Add some reference to the Irish woman who knew Jenin well. She got herself trapped in Ramallah while the worst of the attack was on, but returned to Jenin, put herself at great risk and was eventually shot and badly injured by the IDF. (Ian Hook was shot and killed about the same time).
  • Add mention of the earlier and later armed incursions.
  • Re-structure the article so it's not around a "No Massacre Thesis" beloved of the defenders of Israel.
  • Repair and expand the human-rights organisations reports.
  • Research and add the widely testified allegation of a trench filled with 30 bodies has been left out. (though it is possible that this is the desperate response of the hospital, under total lock-down for 9 days and under siege for 14 days).
  • Lastly, point out that the world's media largely did *not* make any of the "corrections" that the blogs desperately try and suggest were made.

[edit] Edits needed to fix obvious faults

[edit] Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus

Discussion apparently concluded here. The encyclopedia should not be quoting from anyone (even a published historian) who writes things such as "Until the Arab armies invaded Israel on the very day of its birth, May 15, 1948, no quarter whatsoever had ever been given to a Jew who fell into Arab hands." We should not do so becasue it's a hate-statement (we know this because reversing "Arab" and "Jew" would produce something anti-semitic). At the risk of creating a content disagreemet, it's also quite false. eg Jewish Virtual Library on the 1929 Hebron Massacre Nineteen local Arab families saved dozens, perhaps 100s of the Jews. Zmira Mani wrote of an Arab named Abu Id Zaitoun who brought his brother and son to rescue her and her family. The Arab family protected the Manis with their swords, hid them in a cellar along with other Jews who they had saved, and found a policeman to escort them safely to the police station at Beit Romano". Secondly from Kfar Etzion March 1948 where, although a massacre/killing of disarmed defenders took place, other Jews were captured, held as POWs and released some 9 months later. Schechtman should not be quoted for the same reason we don't quote David Irving - judging by what I've quoted above and what is in Irving's article, Schechtman is even more unfit than Irving (even though Schechtman died at 71 with no legal problems and not having been thrown in jail for Denial). PalestineRemembered 21:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)