Talk:Osteoarthritis

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This article should also mention boswellia, an herbal analgesic known in Aryuvedic medicine and widely available in health food stores as well as online. It is highly effective and, unlike NSAIDs, has no known side effects. 162.83.183.71 14:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I have begun editing and adding to this article, feel free to edit and . 16, 2004.

I certainly will. Could you use Wikimarkup for headings please (==Symptoms==). Also: listing all NSAIDs is an unnecessary thing - there are hundreds of preprarations, and providing a link should be good enough.
Also please consider that news articles (Reuters Health) are usually based on studies in medical journals. If Reuters is good, they should provide the actual reference. JFW | T@lk 09:14, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Congenital hip luxation - if the article does not exist then you shouldn't remove the red link but write the article! It is a major health problem, and relatively simple to diagnose. In countries with regular child-health follow-up, the Ortolani test is often performed as a screening test, with ultrasound as second line. Treatment is simple, with plaster cast immobilisation. JFW | T@lk 09:45, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Jdwolff, this was my first attempt at editing. Your help is appreciated. User:Gilgameshfuel 17 Nov 2004

Thanks for the work; I finally got around to writing some more about OA. In medical articles, I generally avoid addressing the reader in person. The reader may be a grandchild of a patient and not like instructions how to cope with OA :-). JFW | T@lk 12:52, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Feel free to delete that section if you see best, and thanks once again. I have had severe OA for three years now. User:Gilgameshfuel 18 Nov 2004

[edit] Prevalence Incorrect

I tried double checking the article by GREEN GA that said over 80% for elderly, but couldn't access it. I do know the Farmingham studies, which are the most cited articles on osteoarthritis prevalence, state that 10% of people over 65 have osteoarthritis (Incidence and Natural History of Knee osteoarthritis in the Elderly 1995 Arthritis and Rheumatism). They said 82.7% PARTICIPATED in the follow up study from the original in 1987, and I suspect that GREEN GA or the whoever, might have got that prevalence wrong. Simonfrid (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)simonfrid


[edit] Changes

With diff not working 100% I am not sure how much was changed, but PM Poon (talk · contribs) has effectively rewritten the whole page! Most of it sounds like reasonable edits, but use of edit summaries would have been helpful.

Is anyone willing to tidy up the references? JFW | T@lk 11:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


maybe hip luxation should be congenital hip subluxation?

a discussion of common x-ray findings would be helpful.


[edit] Regarding treatment of OA

In the article it is mentioned a primary and secondary type of OA, but these types are not distinguised between when stating that there is no cure for OA. As far as I know, this is not correct. If OA is caused by trauma to the joint (not caused by a degenerative disease), there is options for treatment such as Autologous Chondrocyte Implantation. Whether this procedure is feasible probably depends on how far the OA has gotten, i.e. the condition of the remaining cartilage. I don't know enough about this topic to add this to the article, anyone who does? Hildre 10:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

OA affects nearly 21 million people in the United States, accounting for 25% of visits to primary care physicians, and half of all NSAID (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) prescriptions. It is estimated that 80% of the population will have radiographic evidence of OA by age 65, although only 60% of those will be symptomatic (Green 2001).

Can someone update this with global data instead of just the US.

What about steem cells? I think some people are working on this kind of surgery in different countries. Can anyone specify something else? --ZUIA2 23:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

A self help book, which was on NY Times best seller list, is The Arthritis Cure by Jason Theodosakis.LoopTel (talk) 16:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Chronic smokers have higher risk of OA. Cessation of smoking would at least delay further deterioration of the joints. Suggest adding this comment to treatment.LoopTel (talk) 13:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dietary Supplement

Walk in any drugstore or vitamin store and you will see scores of brands consisting of glucosamine, chondroitin, and MSM, either separately or in combinations, all touting as treatment of osteoarthritis. Some even claim proof of efficacy through unnamed trials. When NY Times reported on FDA sponsored clinical trials that showed no benefit, interestingly enough the reporter ended the article with a personal note: "I don't care what the trial says. All I know is that without these supplements I am a prisoner in my own house. After taking these supplements, I can climb mountains." (citation needed) One possible explanation is that these supplements can be of benefit in mild cases but not in cases studied in the trials.LoopTel (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LoopTel (talk • contribs) 18:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Healing

Here are c. 10 summarized healing reports from osteoarthritis (through healing on the spiritual path): http://www.bruno-groening.org/english/heilungen/defaultheilungen.htm (go to chapter 10)

Kind regards, Dave

-- 83.173.234.146 20:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heritability

I would like to see references to articles about the heritability of Osteoarthritis.

-- Herman 2 january 2007 (UTC)

[edit] “RFQMR” item in Other Approaches section

Unreferenced statements such as, "found quite effective," "revolutionary," and, "the treatment is painless, safe and scientifically proven," without providing references to peer-reviewed or at least reputable sources show an obvious bias. Given the website of this company is provided, I would guess it stems from a commercial interest, or even a misplaced attempt at sharing what was a personally successful treatment; I have not investigated the writer to find out.

As I am not an editor I decided to note it as non-neutral and post this comment, instead of cleaning it up myself; at the moment I stick to grammar fixes.

—Podboy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.212.21.22 (talk) 21:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

There is an article in the Indian Journal of Aerospace Medicine which is peer-reviewed, which substantiates some of the above statements. --kv

[edit] "OA is the most common form of arthritis"

Is this true? I have read that gout is the most common form of arthritis. 205.158.168.99 03:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)Steve P.

Yes it is. Check the Farmingham study Simonfrid (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)simonfrid

[edit] Effect of Weather

I looked around but couldn't really find anything that suggested that humidity actually has an effect on arthritis. The closest is the idea that changes in barometric pressure might, but it seems like your body would come into equilibrium eventually wherever you were. If we can't find citations in support of it, then I think we ought to get rid of it, because it is likely unsupported by anything but anecdotes. --The Hanged Man 15:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe one could rephrase the text to s.th. like "doctors report increased numbers of patients complaining of pain caused by OA in cold and humid conditions". Since packed waiting rooms would not qualify as "evidence" for a wiki article "anecdotes" might be all there will be for quite a while. Most researchers have their hands full finding treatment options. An interesting, but possibly unrelated fact is that researchers in Cardiff have found that cold feet reduce blood flow in the nose. If the same happened in the capilary system around the cartilage of OA joints that might be a link. (Maybe the guys in Cardiff will look into it somewhen.) Unconscious/involuntary muscle contractions (like e.g. shivering) might be another cause. (No one seems to have studied that yet either) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.23.251 (talk) 16:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arthritis in young people.

Ok, I am only 19 and i suffer from chronic knee pain, muscle contractions and cracking noises. This has been so ever since an incident in Karate practice a few years ago when a roundhouse sent my knee the wrong way. Does this mean i have this sort of arthritis? PayneXKiller 20:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arthrosis or osteoarthritis

Are these terms exactly the same? This is as far as I got: -itis indicates inflammation and arthr- means joint if I got it right, and if osteo related to osseous it's bone. Osteoarthritis would then be bone-joint-inflammation. But what is an "-osis"? Is one term old and the other modern or is one a layman's term and the other the proper medical one?? thks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.30.124 (talk) 04:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John Hopkins Plug

Wikipedia shouldn't be used for advertizing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.9.22.121 (talk) 14:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello I would like to assist on this lemma but............

Hello I would like to assis on this lemma but my English is not good enough. Would it be helpfull if I post in this discussion some recent PUBMED studies on the possibele causes of osteoarthritis and that somebody else makes the changes in the lemma. Regards, Willy Witsel, Netherlands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.120.103.16 (talk) 11:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The link that you added specifically discusses possible nutritional approaches to osteoarthritis - from an orthomolecular perspective. It would be much more helpful if we could have a single reliable source that addresses this, and in the form of a narrative. To the best of my knowledge, only glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate have reliable evidence behind them. JFW | T@lk 12:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree on gluco and chondro. These articles I use in The Netherlands to show not only pain relieve

but also therapeutic aspects

Would these documents be accpetable for this osteo article?? Regards Willy --217.120.103.16 (talk) 13:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable, although your last link doesn't work - it gives gibberish. JFW | T@lk 21:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)