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Contents 1 No-one could be bothered to title this Orky discussion so I had to name it 2 Alien or mutant? 3 Main Units section 4 Amusing 5 First contact 6 Technology 7 Main Units 8 Article 9 This article repeats itself A LOT 10 Famous orky quotes? 11 Wha? 12 Red 13 Incomplete ? 14 Fair use rationale for Image:Codex Orks.gif 15 Immortality? 16 Fair use rationale for Image:Codex Orks.gif 17 Fair use rationale for Image:Codex Orks.gif 18 Orks and corruption by Chaos 19 Concerning Gorgutz' Mob 20 Subspecies - Gretchin

[edit] No-one could be bothered to title this Orky discussion so I had to name it

These Orks were squat, powerfully muscled humanoids, wielding crude ballistic weaponry (usually blackpowder or other explosive projectile-based equivalant) and large 'stikbomz' or stick grenades; along with their helmets and other paraphernalia, these are apparently modelled on German equipment from WWI.

personly I think that the spiked helmets are more of a connection to biker culture than WW1 Germany,

any objections? the statement down below makes you an idiot

So bikers carry stick grenades as well do they? Bombot 16:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because the helmets of Hell's Angels are modelled on (or are actual) German World War 1 helmet. See [1] for example.

They resemble both Biker Gangs and WW1 Germany, but I think they are more like the Scottish Highlanders regiment

Agreed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eede2 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Also worthy to note is that Germany was not the only nation sporting spiked helms, other nations had em and got rid of them due to anti German sentiment. The helmet has become an icon of national belligerency. The emphasis is obviously on the iconic meaning of the helm while the orks as a whole lean towards rough and disheveled motor rebels and Scottish Highlanders.

[edit] Alien or mutant?

Are the Warhammer 40000 orks aliens or mutants?

Aliens. There has never been any mention of a genetic connection between humans (or any other Earth animal or plant) and the Orks. (Darth Fanboy 23:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC))

Pece Kocovski 08:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

They are related to Fungi you should have read the article Darth Fanboy, but technically they are neither as they were genetically engineered.

[edit] Main Units section

I'm tempted to delete this section: it's unencyclopedic and adds nothing to the article. Any other views? Cheers --Pak21 10:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

• Now done --Pak21 13:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. It seems to only half-heartedly want to discuss anything Orkz.

I add information to it when I can.

[edit] Amusing

I find this article higly amusing. 24.43.218.30 22:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Same here. This is one of the few fictional species that drink airplane fuel.

[edit] First contact

'First contact with the Orks occured in 2027 when Earth first tried to send manned missions beyond its own solar system. The result was devastating: 20 colony ships met the Ork battle fleet and all 2000 passangers and crew were killed. This set a precident for the first Intergalactic war in the history of mankind. The Earth Alliance fought back stopping the Ork Invasion at Pluto, with the further loss of an outer civilian tradng post (although only 10 crew were on board at the time) and the loss of several Type 42 destroyers. The Orks are a War Driven race who live only for conflict. Their technology is somewhat odd, all their ships are different and the systems fitted to their craft or the weapons carried by their troops (and how reliable they are) are all determined by what salvage was available when the unit/soldier was kitted out. There is no such thing as a civilian ork population - they all fight or do their job depending on their caste. There are thought to be six castes, each identified by a small glyph on the main ork logo.'

There any source for this? It doesn't look official, and I've never seen it before, but it's best to check. Take it out entirely, or is there something salvageable in it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.63.0.36 (talk • contribs) .

I don't remember anything like that, but somewhere (2nd edition codex imperialis I think) it mentions the mechanicus still recieve transmissions from an ancient space probe (something like voyager) and there are ork signals showing anywhere humans can go the orks will already have got there Murray.booth 11:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Technology

Could those anon IPs who are removing the paragraph from the technology section please give a reason for doing so? Cheers --Pak21 19:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Happily. The Anzion theory (the section undergoing removal)has already been described in the article and is therefore not needed to be mentioned a second time. The fluff the statement is drawn from is currently lividly contested by most of the fan community and is probably wrong, as its contested by half a dozen different pieces of fiction. Dakkagor.

After waiting for a reply, I have made a comprimise: I have ammended the Anzion Theory section to state it is a theory, nothing more, and provided the common counter arguments. To those naysayers, remember that the Anzion theory is repeatadly discredited by pre existing fluff and following background. It is a single, discredited crackpot theory. On an unrelated point, I wrote well over half the original wiki entry. Dakkagor.

With all due respect, your changes appear to be original research. Which reliable sources are you using? You are correct that it is unrelated how much of the original entry you wrote; it is Wikipedia policy that no editors get special treatment. Cheers --Pak21 14:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Units

I just felt that the Main Units section would have been of use to those who wanted to play the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PigottDM (talk • contribs) .

Possibly true, but this is an encyclopedia, not Codex: Orks. Cheers --Pak21 11:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I dont suppose you could provide a link to "Codex: Orks" since youve gone out of your way to deprive people of the aforementioned material. Cheers.

Go to the Games Workshop website, and look through its store. The U.S. link would be http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/orks/

Click "Orks Store" in the menu on the left side, then click on... dun dun-da dun dun dun daa... Codex: Orks. It's 15 USD. --Melissia 09:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'l sort this out as soon as I get the codex.eede2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eede2 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article

Meh, this article was surprisingly very entertaining. Maybe its just me, just the fact its Orks, or is it really? As for writing this article in a manner of a different POV (to properly represent a work of fiction), I guess I'm not understanding. The one who tagged the article says, "It sounds like its implying and written in a style that the storyline is true as opposed to written" ? Colonel Marksman 17:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article repeats itself A LOT

The possible origins of the Orks are mentioned 3 times, the nature of their technology three times, a list of Oddboyz is given twice, etc. In addition to a seperate heading for these topics, they are each elaborated on in more general sections.

[edit] Famous orky quotes?

I'm not a tabletop player, but I absolutely love the lore and fluff of the 40k universe. Your article on the orks here is a fun read and I laughed out loud on several occasions. Anyway, I was wondering if you could maybe add a section for famous or iconic quotes (and their contexts) like the one about red vehicles.

[edit] Wha?

They drink airplane gas?

Yep. Ork fuel is generally thought of to be alcholic (Ie brewed rather than refined, though at a proof strong enough to strip paint and guts) so can be sued as both.

How do you sue fuel?--Eede2 (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Red

I don't think the rules for the colour red have changed yet. So why isn't it mentioned in the article anymore? AllStarZ 03:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Because people don't feel like being awesome. They instead made the page confusing and cluttered. It should be orky. Red mades things fast! Its orky good! SanchiTachi 04:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incomplete ?

First, there wasn't mention that a wealthy orks is a big one, not a rich one. Like a original orcs, a orks clan can success only if the members are strong and the more "easy" way to obtain it is to go to war and eat the losers and even the fallen orks warriors.

Also there are a hypothesis that say that the technology of the orks came from a early STC Standard_Template_Construct.

Also there wasn't a mention why the orks aren't afraid of death, since they don't have a contact with the Nightbringer (a fact). --Magallanes 16:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I moved this down to fall in line with the trend of catagories in talk pages go chronologically. I hope you don't mind. If you can source the information on the nightbringer, STCs, and the wealthy ork information, please provide them. I would like to see what is said and we would need the sources to put them into the page (two birds, one citation). SanchiTachi 19:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The nightbringer part is in codex:necrons

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Codex Orks.gif

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As this is an issue that has been dealt with, I struck it out to cause less confusion for editors. --Agamemnon2 19:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Immortality?

Are Orks really immortal or do they just never live long enough to die of old age? The article seems to suggest both. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.191.104.73 (talk) 20:38, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

Orks are essentially animal/plant hybrids, and thus it isn't such a stretch to assume that they are immortal in the sense that they're ageless. They also never stop growing, IIRC. --Melissia 09:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Orks will continue to grow so long as they keep killing. It's estimated that Ghazhkull is over 100 years old, and nearly 20 feet tall Whodaloc (talk) 20:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 14:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Dealt with. Again. --Agamemnon2 20:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 09:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

If it supposedly has been dealt with twice alerady, there shouldn't be any problem NOW... how exactly was it dealt with before? --Melissia 12:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orks and corruption by Chaos

After reading the section on the Waaagh, I have to wonder where that comes from?

Orks, to my knowledge, aren't immune to corruption at all. They are resistant perhaps, but that's more due to their general mindset than the Waaagh (after all, chaos cults aren't typically very orky, even khornate ones). Also, I seem to recall some mentions of Orks being corrupted, and then killed because they aren't orky 'nuff.

Where is the source of this statement that they are immune to corruption? --Melissia (talk) 21:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning Gorgutz' Mob

OK, so is Gorgutz' mob of Orks considered (in layman's terms) a Klan or just simply a Waaagh!? I'm just saying this because I'm kinda confused about this at the moment. - Frostmourne 16 (talk) 09:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Subspecies - Gretchin

This paragraph does not make sense. It refers to the Gretchin being like Gretchin.

I think that this is the result of a merge of paragraphs on gretchins and snotlings; any comments?

--Mlongcake (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the writer meant to say goblins.--Eede2 (talk) 17:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)