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I've heard that before receiving the Matrix in the Chamber of the Ancients, Prime's original name was Optronix and that he was a file clerk. I've no confirmation of this.. I've also heard that the authors intentionally left his original name largely unspoken. -- Sy 17:30, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] too long?

To put it in perspective, this article is longer than the article on Newton. Gregsinclair (talk) 01:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

How many hit TV series, films and sell-out toy lines did Newton have? Additionally this article is covering several different fictional characters who share the name Optimus Prime. There is only one Newton. Mathewignash (talk) 01:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Please tell me the previous comment is a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.112.25 (talk) 11:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is longer than the article on Winston Churchill. In comparison, the Megatron and Galvatron articles combined utterly dwarf that for Adolf Hitler. Megatron alone rivals old Adolf. I really hope the comment about Newton was a joke but whether it was or not, Wikipedia certainly is.88.66.46.54 (talk) 19:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I've got a few suggestions:

  • Create a new article, something like "Toys of Optimus Prime", and remove all toy information to that article. That would get some hefty chunks out of this.
  • Remove the Cameos section completely. Really, obscure anime references? Who cares?
  • On the same theme, I'd be tempted to remove Cultural References as well.
  • Remove the plot description of Transformers: The Game and just link to the article instead. Habfan29 (talk) 17:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] reply

in the cartoon his orginal name was orion pax(war dawn) and the areial bots took him to triple a to be rebuilt as optimus prime

  • waite a sec, weren't the Areialbots created in the late 1980's by the Autobots? If so, how could they have been with Op Millions of years ago? Mightberight/wrong 0:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
    • As the article notes, they had been sent back in time from the 80's.
Where are you getting "war dawn" from? "Orion" was the Roman hunter god, and "pax" is Latin for peace. "war dawn" would be something like Bellum Aurora in Latin. Curis 11:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
    • "War Dawn" is the name of the episode in which Orion Pax is rebuilt into Optimus Prime. --(unregistered user) 21:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I misread the comment. Curis 18:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] G1 section

I was just flipping through pages and came across this article. Frankly, the opening paragraph under the G1 heading is way over-the-top and completely inconsistent with an encyclopedia. It also sounds very much like something copied from another source (ie. the toy manufacturer). Someone familiar with this toy should try for a re-write. Just a suggestion. Matt Deres 21:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Ironically, the paragraph was a re-written version of Marvel's original "Universe" entry for Prime, which effectively was an encyclopedia for the subject matter. I've had a bash at re-jigging it, though. - Chris McFeely, 17 Jan
This stuff: "Optimus Prime is the leader of the heroic Autobots. Had he been born a human, he could have been a doctor, a mechanic, a scientist, or a warrior - but on Cybertron, Prime puts all his talent to use to improve the world around him. Immensely kind and compassionate, Prime has dedicated himself to the protection of all life, particularly the inhabitants of Earth, and will battle his foes with unyielding resolve to uphold this belief." reads as plaguarism to me, actually. Blue Spider
Information is information, son.--The4sword 16:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I know in one of the episodes of Gen. 1 that Optimus was severely injured in a battle, I believe the one-on-one dual with Megatron(with all Decepticons abilities) where the loser's team had to leave Earth. At the conclusion of the episode, another truck Transformer offers to pull Optimus's trailer for him since he is so weak. Does anyone know which Transformer that was, and if the toy could pull the trailor as well? Chris Cobb 08 October 2006

The episode was Heavy Metal War, and the Autobot who helped was Huffer. His toy cannot pull Prime's trailer, as it has no hitch (it can sit on Huffer's legs, but it doesn't collect). Ultra Magnus's toy CAN pull Optimus's Trailer, and vice-versa, since they are the came cab mold. user:mathewignash

[edit] Difficult to maintain NPOV

At least in terms of the G1 incarnation, with which I am primarily familiar, I'm actually finding it difficult not to write in openly positive terms. I've always had an enormous amount of admiration for Prime as a character, I'll admit. Although I initially thought it a little strange when I found out someone had had himself legally named after the character, if there is any such character for whom that is appropriate, I think Prime would definitely be it.

Petrus4 05:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Some might suggest you should find a sense of perspective. Listen carefully: "This is a toy robot you're talking about."88.66.46.54 (talk) 19:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moving the other Optimus Primes off page

I moved RiD Optimus Prime to a seperate page since this page is getting rather large. Should perhaps all the different series primes each have a smaller page?

Mathewignash - 2-16-06

I also made a page for Armada/Energon Optimus Prime.

[edit] fan speculation

The following was included in the article by an anonymous editor, and some of it may be useful so I am moving it here:

they never explained how the Decepticons managed to pull of regaining complete control of cybertron in the 19-20 years time differance which occured between the end of generation 1 season 2 and the time of the movie. another thing they also never explained was the ultimate fate of Alita who was Optimus primes lover and companion in life. i believe that by examining the dreamwave transformer comic continuity that one can easily find a series of events which lead to the Autobots losing their homeworld of Cybertron to the enemy.
in transformers the war within age of wrath megatron had multiple aerial extermination squadrons that numbered a million strong.
had dreamwave not gone bankrupt he would likley have had 2-3 thousand of them left after the age of wrath story line concluded and the next storyline after that which would have dealt with the quintesons gaining revenge in the next storyline. the surviving squadrons would be kept in cold storage to be used for a later time.
in transformers war and peace it was revealed that Shockwave had created the Energon Transfer Unit which would channel energy directly from Cybertrons energon core directly into a transformer equiped with it keeping the individual in a perpetual fully energised state.
issue 10 hinted at megatron having a plan to use earth as a bargaining chip to regain cybertron. he also posessed the titan like might of predaking, bruticus, menasor, and devastator.
issue 11 had it been released would have brought Alita and her team into the comic with her dying in issue 12 since the cover art to issue 12 showed an emotional and heartbroken prime cradling her lifeless body in his arms. it has been said over the years that if optimus had any true weakness it would be his compassion. primes character had changed from the honor bound warrior of the cdartoon to the tragic avenging hero he would be in the movie. something had caused him to change. something so big in such a way that prime had unwillingly played a role in the cons counqering cybertron.
she was his greatest strength in life. in the end she would be his ultimate weakness
it is my theory that megatron would have repaired and reprogrammed the combaticons to be loyal only to him and ordered them to break the constructicons out of their area 51 prison. he would repair them and improve on them programming wise so that they would be somewhat more intelligent in their merged form of devastator. he would use the titan like might of the 4 to hold north, central and south america and great brittain hostage. with prime reeling from the death of his beloved alita and with so many countless millions of innocent lives hanging in the balance. optimus would have no choice but to give in to his demands for a complete cease fire and total withdrawel of all autobot forces from cybertron.
with megatron and his decepticons, shockwave and his legions, and megatrons remaining aerial extermination squeadrons equiped with energon transfer units the autobots would make a final stand at iacon and it would be a slaughter like none other. even magnus and his fellow wreckers would be hard pressed to hold their ground,
the death of his beloved alita would trigger this series of events in which the decepticons used the autobots very beliefs against them.
-- nae'blis (talk) 23:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Nothing but a work of fanfiction, sorry, no real use for it on Wikipedia. Everyone likes to fill in the holes left by creators, a common practice of Star Trek was to wonder about the days of Enterprise before the show was even concieved. Once the events are actually show, it is often not what people assumed was going to happen. The person who wrote this thought that they had it down, and could pinpoint the events of Dreamwave to specific articles, but the truth is we may never know what was going to happen. It's nice that he decided to contribute to the article, but needs to learn that fan fiction has little place in Wikipedia. If it did, we would have massive articles flooded with theories and assumptions.--Orion Minor 00:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few little things

Good edits, but occasiionally a little over-specific - there's no need to go into the whole Ark/Nemesis thing on this page, that's for their own entries, and there's no need to mention Shockwave's landing in the Savage Land, as that has nothing to do with Prime. Also, "Teletraan I" is the correct spelling of the name, and Alpha Trion was going by that name by the time of "War Dawn," as per the ep's script. -- Chris McFeely 6th March 2006


[edit] Magnus/Dion

There's strong evidence Dion would later become Ultra Magnus. Hence his similar design to Optimus Prime as well as Prime's referral to him as old friend right before he passes in Transformers The Movie.

What is this "strong evidence"? There's the two points listed, which don't add up to much, in my opinion, but I'm not aware of any other evidence. Of course, there's fanfic and fan speculation, but that's not evidence is it? Optimus Sledge 19:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

It's mainly that fanwank "revelation" in the second Dreamwave arc that Magnus was Dion, as well as being Prime's brother. I stopped reading at that point... --SMegatron 16:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Victory/Zone information

Why is some info on these series "unnecessary"? I added it to connect the series and briefly show what was going on in the meantime, since they can be connected with Ginrai before and Zone Energy after. This seems better than just noting Zone Energy out of the blue while citing an unacknowledged & unaccounted-for part of the G1 continuity as a reference. Nautilator 19 Mar 06

They are worth slight, one-sentence mentions in other sections, if it all. They certainly do not deserve their own headers, as they do no feature Prime at all, and this is his article. Ginrai's explicit connection to Prime warrants his small paragaraph, but the Victory section adds nothing about Prime - if readers want to learn more about Ginrai's exploits, they can go his own article. A line's been added to the Battlestars section to explain that Zone Energy coes from "Zone," and that's all that needs to be said - a summary of Zone has no bearing on Prime. - Chris McFeely 19th March 2006
There is a very extensive article about Ginrai, and it links back and forth with Optimus Prime. Maybe there should be an article about Zone Energy, and such, seperately, and more links. user:Mathewignash - Mar-21-06

[edit] Scale and Alternators

While one can provide a comparative statistic based on the size of the Diaclone drivers and the actual scale of the toys (although 1:32 for the original Prime toy does not sound right to me), this doesn't make sense for Masterpiece Prime - he is not part of the Alternators line, so it's scale and figures have absolutely no bearing on anything regarding him. They're separate things, with separate scales, and one can't be used to prove the other. The Masterpiece figure is made to roughly a 1:36 scale, providing a height of about 36 feet. - Chris McFeely, 28th May 2006

Where do you get the information that the Masterpieces are at 1:36 scale and not 1:24? (user:mathewignash)
I recall a topic about it on ATT sometime back. ItsWalky! (or David Willis, or whatever name he was using at the time) knocked together a comparative chart. In truck mode, Prime's simply not big enough to be in the same 1:24 scale with the Alternator vehicle modes (and Starscream's clearly operating on some completely different scale, as well). - Chris McFeely 28th May 2006
I can look on the internet and find dozens of articles from people who seem to think he's about 1:24 scale, so I think it's worth at least mentioning this is one of his possible heights, and it doeslay between the high and low end of his possible heights based on the Diaclone toy. (user:mathewignash)
I grant you it's harder to be precise on scale with MP Prime since he's not based on an actual vehicle, but the point remains - he is simply too small to be in 1:24 scale. Just sit the toy next to an Alternator in vehicle mode - too small to be in scale with those cars. Trucks are BIG things! Here's an article by the crazy-detail-oriented Dave Van Domelen, who deals in actual comparative measurements and puts the scale at around 1:30 (1:36, it seems, would indeed be a bit on the big side). - Chris McFeely 28th May 2006

[edit] Disambiguation

As per Wikipedia:Disambiguation, the link to Optimus Prime (person) at the top of this page is not necessary (no risk of confusion here) regardless of the outcome of its bid for deletion. The page is already linked where it belongs, in the trivia section. radimvice 01:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orion in Dreamwave?

"Optimus Prime started life as Optronix (Orion to his friends)". I can't find anything about him being nicknamed "Orion" in my War Within paperbacks. Is this just fan speculation to make it match up with the G1 animated series continuity? user:Curis

I can't find the source, but I recall reading that the War Within writer had said this. Anyone know the source? user:mathewignash
It comes from the "Hardwired" paperback novel. I think, as Mathew said, that Simon Furman may also have said something along the lines before said book came out. Chris McFeely 18:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Toy Photos

Just added a pic of my G1 reissue Prime, I was surprised there weren't some already. While we don't need photos of every Prime, I think G1 and 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime are definitely essential to the page, maybe with a new section for 20th Anniversary Prime? Curis 11:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Added a new image of MP-04 Prime in robot mode, a couple days back, to replace the one holding the Walther P38, which was from Seibertron.com but had the watermark removed. User:Phorpus 9 May 2007

Why did all of the toy photos suddenly disappear?

A moderator deleted them all. I tried to restore them and got banned for 36 hours. user:mathewignash

This is as good a place as any to ask - according to what I understand of copyrights, if I take a picture of something, whether it's a building, a car, a sign, a lake, or whatever, I own the photo I took and can distribute it however I like (as long as don't do something obviously illegal with it), right? If I take a picture of one of these toys, by extension, I own that image (but not the design of the toy of course). So... I have a Leader-class Optimus Prime (the really nice one, from the 2007 movie) which I just picked up a couple of days ago.. Would it be acceptable to take a photo and post it?

Also, the photo shown for the movie's Optimus Prime is *not* a screenshot from the movie. Rather, it is one of the pieces of stylized artwork released by the production company, which can be seen in a few places around the web. According to Hasbro's licensing terms, images (which they lump under "Software") may be downloaded from their website but may not be redistributed, but I can't find anything detailing how this applies to images related to the movie. Someone should either delete that picture or edit it to indicate if the image is an officially-licensed image. (Vanessadannenberg 17:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC))

[edit] links

Just been reading the page and wondered if it was sencible to have the internal links for 'transformers' all pointing to the toy page rather than the series or a diambiguation page. Nate1481 01:27am 31 July 2006 (GMT)


[edit] size

As per tradition, he transforms into a truck cab, although in order to yield the tallest possible robot mode (32'), Prime now transforms into a long-nosed Peterbilt cab (akin to his Laser Rod incarnation), rather than a flat-nose design like his original Generation 1 body, which would have resulted in a height of only 20-25'.[1]

This is false information. THese are claims from Nelson who has repeatedly changed the motives for these changes. We know from the Masterpiece Prime toy that even a tiny flat nose cab could potentially tower over most of the autobots - it should be noted that MP OP's vehicle mode is smaller than it shold be. There are also some cabovers that are similiar in mass to the Peterbilt - kenworth has made some in the past.

[edit] Zombie

Did anybody else notice on the 20th Anniversary DVD, in The Death of Optimus Prime featurette, that it was mentioned that the original post-movie plans were to bring back Optimus as a zombie in the series and then the Autobots would have to kill him again, but the plans were scrapped because of the massive outcry about Optimus dieing in the movie? I would add that myself but I don't know if he was serious or not. Does anybody have any more information on this? ---SilentRAGE! 14:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Well wasn't he essentially a Zombie in that one ep where the Quintesson's try and use him to lead the Autobots into a trap, and then he sacrifices himself again? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.22.53.86 (talk) 08:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
I don't have a clue what you're talking about. ---SilentRAGE! 01:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
This happened in the end of season 3 of the TV show, and it's mentioned in the article. To quote: "Prime's body was entombed in a massive deep-space mausoleum with the many other fallen Autobots, but his corpse was desecrated by the Quintessons in 2006, when they reanimated it as part of an attempt to destroy the Autobots by using Prime to lure their space fleet into a trap. However, the Matrix was able to purify Prime of the Quintesson influence, and he ordered the other Autobots clear while he piloted his flagship into the Quintessons' detonator, triggering the explosion of a nearby sun." user:mathewignash
how can he be a zombie, isnt he a machine. I realize he's more of a living creature than a robot but I still dont know how he can become a zombie in the literal sense of the term. He would mostly just be back and rebooted. I cant see him being decade and trying to eat people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.69.65.165 (talk) 05:09, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
You may be taking that a bit too literally. Throughout that episode he was essentially a mind-controlled slave of the Quintessons so they could nick the Matrix. He showed no free will throughout, hence the zombie comment. He only showed any free will when when Rodimus snapped him out of it at the end.SMegatron 10:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh that makes sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.69.65.165 (talk) 19:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Optimus Prime Death/ Duke's death edit

In an Interview with Buzz Dixon, one of the writers for Gi Joe it was mentioned that the response to the death of Optimus Prime in the movie caused them to edit out Duke's death in the GI Joe movie, should this be added to the Optimus Prime page?

I think its already on the G.I Joe movie page, as well as Hawk's and the Transformer Movie. However, it could be noted in the trivia section, so long as it doesn't replicate the Controversy section from the Moviepage.SMegatron 13:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Autobot logo s.jpg

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[edit] Ctrl+F: No Results Found for "Phazon"

Let's add stuff about the great debate over Optimus Prime's immunity to Phazon, guys. Come on, it's a fact of Prime. It should be noted!

No. See WP:NOT and WP:OR. Wikipedia is not something about things you discuss with your friends. Alientraveller 21:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh. This is some kind of sub-YTMND meme, isn't it? In the future, if you're going to add idiotic memage to an entry, at least make it entertaining. HooperX 15:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

If I discussed this with my friends, I wouldn't have any. And no, as far as I know it has nothing to do with YTMND. Though I haven't really been there for a while, so maybe it is by now >_>

[edit] official & unofficial toys:

For the love of god, *stop* listing unofficial releases in the toy section. The Cybcon "exclusives" are *not* real Transformers toys. They were hand painted by a guy in his basement. If you list that, then you need to list every single crappy kitbash and cheap bootleg knockoff as well. I eagerly await the addition of SOLDIERY CONTAINER ROBOT to this page. HooperX 15:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Since when is Wikipedia a Hasbro-exclusive site? If some other company makes a fake Optimus Prime that's worth noting, you can note if, as long as you are clear about it's origins. Mathewignash (talk) 01:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] uhh...lambourghini diablo?

it says under his morphing abilities that he can transform into a lambourghini diablo...is this vandalism, or fact? if it's vandalism, please correct it and delete this section from the talk page. thanks. 24.15.53.225 23:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed a to released on him in the early 1990's called "Go-Bot Optimus Prime" turned into a red Lamborgini Diablo. It's a collectable, being one of Prime's few non-truck toys, but Hasbro did produce them. user:mathewignash
wow...I learned something today...thanks! XD 24.15.53.225 17:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Energy Axe or Heated Sabre?

In the part next to the picture of optimus wielding his yellow energy blade, there appears to be some contradiction. In the text it calls it an energy axe, while in the picture it calls it a heated sabre. Which one is it? I saw the movie myself, and I thought it seemed to be a yellow, energy based weapon...it didn't look like heated metal to me.

still, the consistency of the article should be strong, so either it will be referred to in both the text and the picture as either an energy axe or as a heated sabre.

so which one is it? 24.15.53.225 17:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, by the picture I saw it's obviously an axe. MightyKombat 17:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Please note that what you/we see doesn't matter -- that's WP:OR. How do you know it's "energy"? or "heated"? It would be best to cite a source -- maybe there's a publicity shot of the scene that identifies the weapon, or packaging on a toy or something. --EEMeltonIV 19:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Well it obviously has to be one of the two... When Optimus used it against Bonecrusher, there were sparks flying everywhere as he sawed off his head. This obviously means the blade was charged with some sort of heat based substance that could melt through metal. And as for your OR, there really is no other option when it comes to these things. Not all things can be cited. Minor details such as these must be classified by observation alone. I mean, if you were to take every single incriment of OR out of the whole of Wikipedia, you'd have almost no detail at all. And so someone who has never seen the Transformers movie or never even heard of Transformers for that matter that comes to this page and looks at that section will not gain as much information as possible, all due to the fact that some of the details weren't cited. I mean, here's what we do know. Optimus has a sword, and it glows yellow, and it cuts through things better than some average sharp piece of metal. To say that Optimus merely has a "blade" would leave the reader with the impression that it is just a standard sword. There must be some indication that it is stronger than a sword! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.53.225 (talk • contribs)
Yeah, I disagree with the premise that if we were to take out OR there wouldn't be anything left at Wikipedia. If information can't be cited, it shouldn't be here. Ultimately, though, this is a red herring; the nature of Optimus Prime's weapons is a piece of unencyclopedic in-universe trivia and isn't worth mentioning at this site at all. Unfortunately, I have yet to see a Transformers character-related article that comes close to passing muster when it comes to WP:N, WP:WAF and WP:OR. --EEMeltonIV 16:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rank

Just wondering, whenever I see the biography for a Transformer who appeared in the movie, I see a rank from 1 to 10 (though I really have not seen less than 5). What is that for? (I also posted this on Frenzy's page, but I posted it here too because I didn't know if many people would see it)68.81.252.24

it's a short of militaristic rank:the highest are the supreme commanders(like optimus prime),every lower rank has to obey a higher rank.but it isn't so strongly represented in the cartoon or the comics

[edit] Protection

I've protected this article from editing by anonymous and new users to prevent vandalism. Any questions please don't hesitate to give me a shout. Khukri 07:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Autobots, transform, and roll out!

Hi, shouldn't "Autobots, transform, and roll out!" be mentioned somewhere? Should it be here, at Autobots, or Transformers? --Kjoonlee 21:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

why? user:mathewignash
Because it's iconic. One reason I thought Autobots might be a good place is because originally most of the Autobots were automobiles, so they could only roll out, not fly away ;) Anyway, q:The Transformers (TV series)#Optimus Prime mentions it.. --Kjoonlee 19:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Serious Vandalism

The 2007 movie and toy section has been wiped out by some idiots. Can someone please undo them? I am not familiar with the controls so I can't help here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.251.163 (talk) 00:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I undid all the revisions from the last day or two which removed the animated and movie sections. Mathewignash 09:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Optimus Prime and Megatron

What is their relationship? 76.112.23.57 06:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It depends on the continuity, but it's generally assumed that they hate each other. Except in bad fanfiction. Unless you're talking about the 'brother' line Prime pulled in the movie, which has just about everybody scratching their heads. Thanks a BUNCH, Michael Bay. 86.17.124.125 (talk) 22:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


I was talking about the brother line 76.112.23.57 00:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Optimus Prime as a Christ Figure

I've noticed that this page makes no reference to the ideal of Optimus Prime as a Transcendental Christ figure - not in the strictly religious sense, but in the motif of modern american literature. This is illustrated by:

  • three parts of one robot: Optimus himself, the Command Deck, and Roller (representing the trinity)
  • the death and resurrection of Prime (paralleling the bible story)
  • Prime leading the Autobots (or, indeed, all Transformers) to "salvation" - or from the Transcendentalist's view, the Over-soul
  • various storylines are literary allusions to parables.

I've seen some writings about this very subject, and I (long ago) read an article stating that this was intentional - but I don't want to modify the page without have a source to cite. Any thoughts? Does anyone have a reference on this - or am I just not taking enough medicine? Soren42 03:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brother

I think the reason why he called Megatron "brother" in the 2007 movie was becasue he was a fellow Cybertronian. Just an idea I thought sounded plausable. Kap2319 18:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional Jews

Why did anyone write him as a fictional Jew? Robots don't have religion. Ario ManUtd 22:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Robots can have a religion, but this reference is a joke from Optimus' appearance on the Family Guy TV series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathewignash (talk • contribs) 04:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant

Some of the same information in the Optimus Prime Cameos section is repeated under Cultural Influence. Isn't this a bit redundant? --BrettxPW (talk) 22:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and at least remove the Family Guy and Robot Chicken comments from the Cultural Influence section. They're listed in the article previously and there's no reason they need to be mentioned twice.--BrettxPW (talk) 00:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Also took out the 2nd reference to the South Park episode. It's also listed in the Cameos section. --BrettxPW (talk) 00:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quick Question

Can someone tell me why an article about a cartoon robot is longer that the articles on Muhammad, Jesus, Einstein, or Hitler? I'm just curious. GhostPirate (talk) 04:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Why can't it be longer than these articles?--TX55 (talk) 16:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
You're serious? Oh, yes, you posted this on Boxing Day. You're serious. Jesus. 88.66.46.54 (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
funny you should ask.[1] --Jack Merridew 16:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Without seeming trite or disrespectful, only one of these is still "alive" in that they have ongoing and reportable canon being created for them. Certainly in the case of Jesus and Mohammed, thier respective "fandoms" take up several Wiki pages (look up Christianity/Islam) ...whereas their historical selves don't really have that much factual data available (at least not in modern terms, anyway.) Same pretty much goes for any other historical figure. Treehouseman (talk) 13:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Without meaning to seem disrespectful but you seriously, seriously need a fucking grip on reality. You appear to be arguing that Optimus Prime deserves more attention devoted to him than either Jesus Christ or Mohammed?? Fucking hell. What are you, 15? 88.66.46.54 (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
No, but there is less factually reported historical data on Jesus than on Optimus Prime, one being a modern character and the other being a person from over 2000 years ago - Their indivudual wikipedia pages are vastly different in size because of this - however I'm sure if you added up ALL the pages devoted to different aspects of Christianity, biblical stories involving Jesus, conjecture, worship, impact, interpertation, Jesus' followers, etc, the total size would vastly dwarf the single Optimus Prime page. Mathewignash (talk) 20:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV?

"He is the brave leader of the heroic Autobots." Does anyone else see that as non-NPOV? --ScreaminEagle (talk) 18:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Optimus Prime (2007 Movie) motto?

I think the motto is ok, but it was only said once.. I think it should be said at least twice to be a counted as a motto. Is there anything else said more than once? --Wiitbred (talk) 01:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiitbred (talk • contribs) 01:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

This was listed as his official motto on one of the official movie sites. It doens't matter how often he said it. Mathewignash (talk) 03:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh ok, I didn't know if it was official or not. Thanks. --Wiitbred (talk) 06:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fifth season?

The seldom-seen fifth season of the show featured previous episodes' stories retold by a stop-motion Powermaster Optimus Prime to the live-action youngster Tommy Kennedy. No real back story was ever established for Prime becoming a Powermaster, but the new sequences were said to take place after the four previous seasons, indicating that in the original Sunbow continuity at least, Prime became a Powermaster at some point.

Is there any evidence to back this up as being in any way real? Or should it be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.34.212 (talk) 23:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw them once too. I'll try to find a link. Mathewignash (talk) 01:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The video of the above is quite rare. I found one clip of Powermaster Optimus Prime and Tommy Kennedy introducing a music video by Stan Bush here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=30BFrLl07r4 Mathewignash (talk) 10:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't sound like a 'season' per se, more along the lines of the G2 repackaging of the original cartoons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.34.212 (talk) 21:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
As the statement says, the "fifth season" of the TV series was just the earlier episodes repackaged and hosted by Powermaster Optimus Prime and a kid. There was no new content besides the intros and outros. Mathewignash (talk) 21:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Optimus Prime Assassins Creed Cameo

In the cameos section (1.13) the last cameo says that many gamers believe that optimus prime appears in the form of a pattern of windows and other markings on the background, and that a citation is needed. I found a website that reported on this and includes a picture. Can someone put this into the references? Thanks.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/assassin.s-creed/optimus-prime-lights-altairs-darkest-hour-324152.php

Wiitbred (talk) 02:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggesting Splitting

Well, everyone should have noted that this article is long. I suggest we should split Transformers: Universe, 2007 Transformers film, Transformers Animated, and Transformers: Timelines into another article featuring Optimus Prime (RiD), which is shorter than Optimus Prime (Unicron Trilogy). If nothing special, the separation will be executed on 1600, 11 April 2008 (UTC). :D --TX55 (talk) 02:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cutting some articles down

Can we remove the toys and cameo section to make this article at least shorter??

Duagrentia (talk) 05:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it would be wise. Mathewignash (talk) 21:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 - I suggest that we move the Optimus Prime toy section elsewhere or by creating a new page that's devoted to it.
   Duagrentia (talk) 02:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)