Talk:Oldest football club
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[edit] What should be included?
I do see a point in having a single list, so that you can compare country-to-country easier, but on the other hand, if the article should include only a single list, how are we supposed to include countries like Denmark (which did have the first Continental Europe club) and Sweden, which did not see football clubs until the late 1870s and 1880? Should they be added at the bottom or not, and if so, should all other clubs in England/Scotland/Ireland/... be added between them, if not, why should they not be included at all? They do belong in the article, IMHO. Why not have one worldwide list with the first club in each country and category, and then separate lists which includes a few more clubs? -- Elisson • Talk 22:58, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
- The point is not only about comparing across countries, it is also about making comparisons across different codes of football. Nationality isn't really relevant. I wouldn't want to see a page with 1,000 clubs on it, and that's why I initially stopped the list in 1864, after which there is an explosion in the number of clubs. I can see the point in including the (one) oldest club in each country (by code) although I think a separate section would be the place to do that. You could also have an Oldest football clubs in Scandinavia article, linked from this one. Grant65 (Talk) 23:23, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Castlemaine
An article in today's The Age newspaper indicates that there is new evidence showing that the Castlemaine Football Club is one month older than the Geelong Football Club, so I have just slipped it underneath the Geelong entry. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Definition of "oldest". Should defunct clubs be included ?
Perhaps the word "oldest" should be defined better. Clearly if a club no longer exists, then it cannot be considered "old", but more appropriately "dead". This list could become exhaustive if it includes all defunct clubs. Perhaps only the clubs that have some claim to continuous existence should be included here, or limit defunct clubs only to notable ones. --Rulesfan 01:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- There really weren't many clubs at all anywhere before 1870, so I don't think it's going to be a problem. If we exclude defunct clubs, then we are faced with the same definitional problem: is a club defunct if it is inactive for a while? What if it merges with another club, as South Yarra did? Grant | Talk 01:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Foot Ball Club of Edinburgh, 1824
The press reports which emanated from last year's World Cup in Germany are far from erroneous - John Hope founded his Foot Ball Club in Edinburgh in 1824 and it ran for at least ten years. The press reports relate to the 2006 "Fascination Football" exhibition in Hamburg. The story of John Hope's Foot Ball Club formed part of the exhibition, within Hamburg's Anthropological Museum, on Scotland's role in the development of football. The information and a facsimile of the 1824 expenses sheet was displayed through the efforts of the Scottish Football Museum in Glasgow. Evidence of the club can be found online at the National Archives of Scotland (reference number - GD253/183/1 - Foot Ball club lists of subscribers. Also containing expenses, 1824/5-1831). The archive is clear and detailed, and the first historic season gives the list of subscribers to the Foot Ball Club as well as the set of expenses. This makes the Foot Ball Club of Edinburgh the first known football club in the world. John Hope, as an old man, also helped to found the Third Edinburgh Rifle Volunteers team in 1874.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.11.214 (talk • contribs) June 16, 2007
- Thanks for the NAS reference, which I have now verified in their catalogue. Strange that the Scottish Football Museum website makes no mention of Hope. Anyway, I will change the text to reflect this significant information. Grant | Talk 03:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sydney University Football Club
The Sydney University Aussie Rules club and Rugby Union club are completely separate entities. This article confuses users by trying to say that they are the same club, the rugby club, which dabbled in Australian Football in its formative stages. Whereas they are clearly not. --Rulesfan 01:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Column sorting
Would be great to have a column sorting system, so you could filter out the defunct clubs by default. --Rulesfan 01:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
