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[edit] spelling/disambiguity
I always had problems spelling this word correctly. I finally figured out why. In the US it is spelled Okanogan and in Canada it is spelled Okanagan. It is weird because it is not your typical word that is spelled differently like color/colour or theater/theatre. Anyways i am not sure how to handle this in wikipedia. It is the same region just different spellings in the two different countries. suggests????
Tpahl 18:32, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
Unless anyone says otherwise I am going to work to split this article into two groups, Okanogan and Okanagan
Roleypolinde 06:40, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Totally overhauled the page, hope you like
Roleypolinde 00:25, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] History section needs work
Just dropped by and noticed some stuff; the following quote is a note for myself for later to more accurately describe local history/geography:
- . Within fifteen years, fur traders established a route through the valley for passing goods between the Thompson region and the Columbia River for transport to the Pacific. The trade route lasted until 1846, when the Oregon Treaty laid down the border between British North America and the United States west of the Rocky Mountains on the 49th parallel. The new border cut across the valley. To avoid paying tariffs, British traders forged a route that bypassed Fort Okanogan, following the Thompson and Fraser rivers to Fort Langley instead. The Okanagan Valley did not see many more outsiders for a decade afterward.
More like: the goods in question were often shipped from Fort Vancouver TO York Factory (on Hudson's Bay), i.e. the route was not down the Columbia to the Pacific, but the other way around; fur shipments from Ft Vancouver to York Factory. Similarly, the Brigade Trail's purpose was FROM Fort Langley, not TO it. And the Brigade Trail was an overland route, only barely using the Thompson and only the Fraser from Kequaloose (across the river from Spuzzum) to/from Ft Langley; it connected to Fort Kamloops via the Coldwater River, and the upper Nicola. The other "replacement" route(s) ran over the southern Canadian Cascades to the Similkameen.
Even during the Okanagan's era as the route the fur company "Express" took, there were not many outsiders in it; only when a fur brigade was passing through, or the occasional small HBC/NWC party; it's not as if the route was busy and there were hordes of fur traders in it....Skookum1 04:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Some Suggestions and Criticisms
- "As of the year 2001, the region's population is approximately 297,601." The precision of the figure contradicts "approximately." -- PC
[edit] Re map
This is a demonstration of why I don't think Regional Districts are useful ways to describe regions in BC; it doesn't look like the shape or location of the Okanagan at all, because of those big bulges up the Columbia and up the Similkameen; and it looks as though a "tongue" of it isn't included, in the RD west of the Columbia one (Enderby or Spallumcheen, somewhere in that area); and the eastward bulge from Vernon is part of the Monashees portion of the Shuswap River Country (which isn't in "the Shuswap" according to my usage; more like "the Monashees"). I'll see what else I can come up with, but as mentioned such maps illustrate problems with the RD system rather than help illustrate the articles they're used on (except for RD articles).Skookum1 23:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Interesting site for expanding the Okanagan page and corrolary articles
Living Landscapes. Yahoo!Sirius 10:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Question
The article says the Okanagan is sometimes known as "Okanagan Country". I've never really heard this used- can anyone verify or provide a reference?
- Okanagan Country is old-fashioned, but you still hear it in for example broadcaster talk where they might say "up in the Okanagan Country it'll be raining for a change": or "Charlie spent ten years in the Okanagan Country before moving to the Coast". Except other than in in older books it may be hard to find a print citation as it's part of speech; I'[d venture it's close to the sensE of "the Okanagan" the "Okanagan Valley" is because it can incluDe adjoining areas, e.g. Kaleden, Keremeos, etc; things that aren't in the Okanagan Valley per se. Yes, it's not as common as "the Okanagan" but that is a contraction of "Okanagan Country" the way "The Thompson is an abbreviated form of "the Thompson Country" (whcih surely you'reve heard) or the Cariboo is a short form of "the Cariboo Country" etc Chilcotin, Omineca, Peace etc. In some cases the w/wo "Country" remains in use, as with the Thompson Country or in cases like the Shuswap Country where (to me) the single-word remains the primary form, as it does in the case of Okanagan or Kootenay(s); there's no regular syntax to this; "the Lillooet" is rarely heard nowadays vs "the Lillooet Country" in the same way "Okanagan Country" is rarely hear/seen except in passing anyway; Kootenay seems to fall into the same category but Cariboo and Omineca and others the "Country" is still used in combination, while in other it must be to retain the sense e.g. Columbia Valley and Columbia Country have two different contexts. And while in the Okanagan's case the Country and the VAlley are (nearly) the same thing, in many case that's just not true, e.g. the Shuswap, orin the case of hte Cariboo where it's primarily the plateau ratehr than the river valley that's refered to.p; the Omineca Country's inhabited areas are mostly those not in teh Omineca drainage, for instance. The Shuswap is used around the lake, not the entire Shuswap basin; and unlike Cariboo or Chilcotin it's not "Shuswap District" ditto it's not "Okanagan District". Not taht you asked ;\D It came to me while preppin g to write this that these particularly B C-ian usages should probably be documented ina dictionary of Canadian English or Canadian geography; probably arne't but they should be....Skookum1 (talk) 22:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, I've read the OK valley is often seen as the northernmost extreme of the Sonoran biosphere system- some go so far as to say the area around Osoyoos is part of the Sonoran desert. Does anyone know anything to elaborate on this? If true, it should be part of the article. Dionix (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- As for the desert that's a decades-old tourism brag - I guess they mean "the northern end of the Great Western Desert which extends all the way down/up from Mexico". But it's not Sonoran Desert, whatever it is, and it's not Canada's only desert, unless you pretend Lytton, Lillooet, Big Bar, Ashcroft and Spences Bridge don't exist (which is waht the Okanagna tourism board would of coruse prefer). The Sonoran thing is part of a bigbranding ptich, including mock-Southwest architecture; I think they even used it at the Desert Cultural Heritage Centre, but which scientists they paid to write that up for them probably werrn't scientists. It's the northern tip of a particular biogeoclimatic thing becuase of some mouse or other, and a bunchgrass; but Lillooet has cacti and warmer summer and winter tempreratures, and is drier. But in BC Tourism, only Osoyoos is a desert go figure. I figure "consultants" - expensive gbuyt not very knowledgeable ones....Skookum1 (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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