Talk:Ofira Air Battle

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[edit] too biased

how can over the hell it is possible isareli are no devils

Either the Arabs are seriously this bad, or someone is bullshitting about this "battle".

Better pilots and better planes. --66.229.35.146 (talk) 06:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] no source

there is no source to prove the battle

I spent about an hour trying to find a source, and this was the only article I could find that uses this name for this battle. I guess you have to read actual books to find detailed information about the battles. However, as I couldn't locate a single confirmatory source and the article has no references, I added the unreferenced tag.--Qball6 02:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I added a source DeepSpace 10:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Impossible

The article has a clear pro-Israel point of view, for the following reasons:

1.The story is illogical, 7 MIGs cannot be shot down in 6 minutes only, given the phantom armament, we would know that such a large number of kills (4 for one of the two phantoms) must involve cannon kills which would necessarily come after relatively long dogfights.

2.The only source mentioned is the Israeli air forces website, which cannot be considered a neutral source.

3.Back in 1973 the MIG-17 an outdated subsonic aircraft ,shouldn’t be the EAF first choice in a critical mission , personally I believe that sending out 28 of these aircrafts on their own is an act of madness which doesn’t consist with the general Egyptian performance during this war

I've come here from the NPOV tag placed on this article. Besides that point, how is this event notable? This article is hardly a stub and fails to mention why it is important. --ZsinjTalk 21:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Replaced tag based on multiple concerns expressed above.Qball6 03:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] possible and true

the two pilots got medals (one for downing 3, of which one was MIG-21, and the other for downing 4), I know of reliable sources about the battle in hebrew (attached to the hebrew wikipedia). By the way six minutes is long for this kind of battle (certainly not a short one).

A google search on "2-28 Air battle" only returns hits to Wikipedia articles. I have now read most of what is available online in English regarding the Yom Kippur air war, and I have found no mention of this battle. The apparent dearth of sources in English regarding this event continues to give me concerns regarding its accuracy and notability. I also see that the article suggests that the Egyptian planes were MIG-17s, but the above comment says that there were MIG-21s involved.Qball6 15:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Continuing concerns about this article

This article has now been around for a while and the various concerns that have been raised have not been fixed. First, there is no independant sourcing for the article. Second, the notability has been questioned - I'm not certain that this qualifies as a "battle" rather than a skirmish, engagement or action. The more I consider this article, the more I think it is appropriate to propose deletion. However, I want to give fair notice and an opportunity to improve/add sourcing before I do so. -Kubigula (ave) 17:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

After consulting with User:El_C, who has the advantage of actually being able to read the original sources, I'm satisfied that there are sufficient sources to meet WP:N and WP:V.--Kubigula (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what the hell??!!

what a load of bullsh** how the hell can this be even possible a 5 year-old kid wouldn't believe this