Talk:Ocean's Eleven (2001 film)

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Support for the critical success claim could be given by mentioning that it scored 80% "fresh" at rottentomatoes.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.184.233.232 (talk • contribs) 04:10, May 4, 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Plot question 2 Don Cheadle 3 Synopsis 4 Plot Hole 5 Plot device 6 Eating 7 Saul 8 Star Wars Ep IV Homage 9 Mikhail and Vladimir as "Real Life Models"

[edit] Plot question

Isn't the summary - here and elsewhere wrong? Benedict finds out that the robbery he saw shown on the monitor screens was not happening - in other words, it was staged on the replica set they built. So, is the acrobat actually in the real vault? Are Clooney and Damon? Was the fake video live or a recording? I don't follow that bit of the movie at all.

--Answer to plot question The acrobat (Yen), Danny Ocean (Clooney), and Linus (Damon) were all in the real vault. When Danny and Linus enter the vault to meet Yen, they arrive without any black bags to load the money. Similarly, they do not arrive with the call girl advertisements either.

The point of the recording that Benedict was watching is that, Benedict was watching a recording that Oceans 11 made in their warehouse. They made a complete replica of the vault in their warehouse, and the video they film is of burglars, all masked, loading the money in to black duffel bags. As Benedict is watching this video (that was a recording), Yen, Danny, and Linus are in the vault (unmasked) stacking all the money in to the center of the vault and are waiting for the "SWAT" team to show up and make the exchange. It's after they cut the power at some point and the SWAT team moves in that they switch the video so that it's no longer showing a recording, but is showing real time.

hope that helps

Asmitty97 03:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don Cheadle

Does anyone know why Don Cheadle was uncredited in this movie? Was it an accident or was it his choice? If it was his choice, why? 24.62.27.66 21:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Probably because of that ridiculous accent that is from a part of Britain not yet discovered.

My guess is for the same reason that Julia Roberts is credited as "and introducing" - its most likely a joke.

The accent is certainly a joke - not since Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins has such an excruciatingly lame attempt at a 'British' accent been screened.

[edit] Synopsis

Why is the summary so crappy and without any detail. It is truly an ingenius plot, and deserves credit.

It is incredible detailed...which could be part of it...and also you don't want to spoil too much.

It's also copied verbatim from the "Fan Page" linked at the bottom. I think another, more detailed, plot summary would be a good idea.

[edit] Plot Hole

In the DVD commentary Steven Soderbergh and Ted Griffin acknowledge a certain plot hole: How did the crew get the flyers of the hookers in the vault in the first place?

True. An additional hole was getting Yen AND THE BRIEFCASE THAT WAS BEING SENT BY BENEDICT`S PEOPLE TO THE VAULT through the 1st security door by the mormon twins. Additionally the "I forgot my passkey" explaination is sloppy. Earlier in the movie the robbers removed the (single) guard at the door by the "baloon boy" play so that the Electrician (who did have the passkey) wouldn`t be recognised as an intruder. In the "Getting Yen into the vault" occassion there are two guards and neither of them suspects the twins who DON`T have the passkey. While the dispairity in number of guards could be explained by an assumption that the electronics room and the Vault in fact have separate enterances from the casino (i.e. those are not the same doors in question - hence the passkey from the first would`nt work on the second), the more lax security guards at the enterance to the Vault simply couldn`t.

-I think the plothole that was mentioned basically said that several bags went up the elevator and into the hands of Benedict's men when there was no one to put them there.--68.193.113.43 (talk) 00:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot device

Basher's "pinch" is not a real McGuffin, as I've recently edited. What is the correct name for a "black box" plot device like this? --Wetman 06:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The "pinch" is more like an electromagnetic bomb, and its design is just like it. An EMP bomb is designed to knock out power sources, and it's construction is basically a coiled bomb. check it in in wiki. it's fictional in a sense that it's this powerful, but humanity is really close to achieving it (last time i read about it)

[edit] Eating

The trivia states that Brad Pitt is eating because he's so busy. I don't believe thats the reason.

If you think back the beginning of the movie, he's eating something outside the club he's at where Danny eventually meets him. Was he busy then?

The trivia you mention is not on the page anymore, but it happens to have some factual basis; on the DVD audio commentary, Brad Pitt explains that it was his idea for his character to always be eating because he figured that he would always be too busy to sit down and enjoy a meal. Minaker 15:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

With regards to him eating, there is a continuity error in the film where they first discuss the contents of the black portfolio. Pitt is eating shrimp cocktail out of a large glass while standing and talking to Damon. There is a cut to a tighter shot of them following in which Pitt is now eating the shrimp from a plate instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.186.191 (talk) 21:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saul

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Saul a German businessman, not a Russian one like the article claims? I've never heard of a Russian with the name Zerga.

I think its not specified in the movie. But Zerga is definitely not a German name. As it was said on the bonus material of the DVD the language in which Saul speaks during the transfer of the briefcase was made up. His assistans are called "Michail" and "Vladimir" - typically Russian names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.94.191.63 (talk) 22:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Star Wars Ep IV Homage

This was pretty obvious to me the first time I saw the film, but I've never read anything on the net about it -- isn't the scene where the Eleven are being shown the plan to break into the vault on a large flatscreen TV an homage to the scene in Star Wars when the pilots are being briefed on how their going to destroy the Death Star?

[edit] Mikhail and Vladimir as "Real Life Models"

We have the following in the section "Real Life Models":

In the scene where Saul (Carl Reiner) is walking to the security room with Benedict (Andy Garcia) and is recognized by an old friend, he addresses Virgil (Casey Affleck) and Turk (Scott Caan) as "Mikhail" and "Vladimir" respectively. This is a Reference to Mikhail Kalinin and Vladimir Lenin, both of whom were revolutionaries during the Russian Revolution.

Maybe I'm being picky, but I don't see how that's a "real life model". That's a reference to two existing people, but has nothing to do with them other than the name, while the other points in "real life models" talk about people and events the movie has used as inspiration: the highly-technical robbery of a bank by a team of eleven as a model for the robbery in the film, and real life's developer of the target casinos as inspiration for Andy Garcia's character. While these actually work as models, I don't see how this applies to Mikhail and Vladimir. I would put them in another section: "references" (or something like that).

Opinions?

PoisonedQuill (talk) 16:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed that before. I removed it as unsourced, but also it looks to just be some random observation. They are two very common Russian names. Good catch Gwynand (talk) 16:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)