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The Manchu form is misspelled; there should be a back <h> or a back <g> after the <r> (both forms are attested). -Anon.

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I think this page needs a fair amount of work still.

I appreciate the efforts others have made, but it is awfully brief an entry for such an important person. I noticed that such people as FDR have practically a book written about them, with their minor personal flaws mentioned.

To describe, in brief, what I see the problems of this page to be:

1. poor description of the campaigns leading up to his establishment of the Late Jin. 2. lack of understanding of his interaction with Joseon Dynasty Korea 3. a weak handle on the sources. I don't think any serious historian would rely that heavily on works such as the Manzhou Shilu. For some reason, the Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty are not mentioned, nor are the Old Manchu Archives.

4. General lack of detail and organization.

Also, previously there was an eroneous link to a Mongol called Monke. I will try to establish an entry for Monke Timur to provide an accurate link.

Nitangae, July 1, 2005

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It's true, the image of the Manchu script listed says "Nuraci", it should be Nurgaci or Nurhaci.

Is it meaningful to say that the Aisin Gioro clan originated in present day North Korea? According to legend (and legend only, as far as I know) the Aisin Gioro clan originated in the Long White Mountains (Chin. Chang-bai-shan, Ma. golmin shanggiyan alin), which are at the very north end of North Korea. I believe all that is known historically, however, is that the Aisin Gioro clan came from the vicinity of Jianzhou.

Is it accurate to say that the former Jurchen empire was formed by former citizens of Koguryo? Koguryo ended in 668, the former Jurchen empire was founded in 1115 by a Jurchen ruler named Aguda.

Respectfully, bdct, Jan 15, 2005.

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13 suits of armor? for himself? Perhaps you could clarify. 17 Jan. 2006

yea, so i was watching the tv show... when Nurhaci becomes governor (chieftan?) of Jianzhou, his family (who he only met after a long time when they were dying) had been ambushed by Nikaiwanlai, and the Jianzhou army wiped out, save 13 suits or armor left in the city. assumedly, these armor were worn by his 13 top generals and elite soldiers (whoever they would be).

yea, and i'll go add a redirect to here from Nuerhachi. no wait i dont know how to do that 1698 2006 March 6 07:33 Zulu

[edit] Please check

I have tried to make this a bit clearer and reorganize it. I hope I did not introduce any errors. Please check my edits.--Filll 18:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huang Taji = Huang Taiji ?

I've been editing this article in an attempt to streamline and improve clarity, and I cam across something that I don't know how to handle. Is Taji here just a typo - is it really supposed to be Huang Taiji? I think it is, so I changed it - but if it ISN'T then it would be useful from the reader's perspective to have an explanation as to who this Taji is, and how he fits into the story... Anyone know? Thanks! Isocephaly 00:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The status of Banners didn't change too much and was mostly in control of the royalties. The 2 Yellow Banners were consistently under Nurhaci's control. The 2 Blue Banners were under Surhaci's (Nurhaci's brother) control until he died, which then the 2 banners were given to Surhaci's 2 sons. The White Banner was for the most reign controlled by Nurhaci's eldest son, until he rebellled. Then the Striped White Banner was given to Nurhaci's grandson and the Plain White was given to Huang Taji. At the end of Nurhaci's reign, Huang Taji controlled both White Banners. The Red Banner consistently was with Daishan (Nurhaci's 2nd son) throughout his lifetime.
Nurhaci was succeeded by his eighth son, Huang Taiji. It is said he took the throne by letting his father's consort Abahai commit suicide in order to block the succession of his younger brother Dorgon. The reason for such controversy is because Nurhaci left his 2 Yellow Banners (the elite banners) to Dorgun and DuDo who were the sons of Abahai. Later, Huang Taji would switch his 2 White Banners for the 2 Yellow Banners giving him influence and power. At the same time, by forcing Abahai to suicide, there would be no one to support the 14 and 15 years old DuDo and Dorgun.