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[edit] Avars, etc

I see your pint, and i am aware that you find yourself at odds with other editors at times. Unfortunately that seems to always be the case when we are duscussing issues from our part of the world. I a have no interest in proving anything except expressing the current concesus from non-Balkan editors. My roots are from Yugoslavia, but i have no agenda in proving anything romantic or great about Slavs, Turks, Bulgars, or whatever. Just want to write good , NPOV articlea about the region.

As for the Avars, i am still researching it. Their origins is actually quite perplexing and mysterious. I will continue to try and improve the origins part Hxseek (talk) 06:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ottomans in Balkans

Yes, as I said early on the peasant's flight was unchanged or even improved compared to their counterparts in western Europe/ However, by the early modern time, the Ottoman empire was decaying and backward. Being an Islamic state, it did no reap the benefits of enlightenment, scientific revolution mercantilism and industrial revolution. THis of course trickled down to worse conditions of the average peasant. Hupchik says so. So leaving it at "OTtoman occupation bettered the peasnat's flight" is misquoting Hupchik, and incorrect on the whole, because the overall result was worsening of their condition.

Anyway, i am busy at the moment with other articles. I will not be able to get to the OTtomans article for w little while. But i will be happy to suggest a summarised format in a while

Hxseek (talk) 23:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The article is about the conquest period from 14th to late 15th centuries. It is not the place for discussing missed opportunities for enlightenment in the period following the conquest. I also find the whole argument about "overall worsening conditions" speculative. The conditions of the peasants improved following the Ottoman conquest. Asserting that the conditions of the Balkan peasants would have been even better had the Ottomans did not occupy is speculation. Many Balkan historians take this approach. Let's stick to facts. Balkan nations entered and left five centuries long Ottoman rule and domination with their language and culture intact. That is in sharp contrast to other similar cases where the language and culture of the, say, Irish or natives of the Americas, was replaced with or heavily influenced by that of the occupiers. I am not arguing that the Ottoman rule was perfect but one has to be careful while drawing conclusions and avoid the "romantic nationalism" approach of the 19th century from which most Balkan peoples still suffer from.--Nostradamus1 (talk) 14:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hey, Nostradamus; you must write what a Turkic state is in the introduction section of List of Turkic states and empires. With the current title it is impossible that the Bulgarian Empire should be included - it is considered by historians for the first Slavic country. I will remove the two Bulgarian empires from the list for now until you provide an accurate definition of a Turkic state OR rename the title to "list of Turkic dynasties" or something of the sort. --Gligan (talk) 19:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The relevant section clearly indicates what the list is about. The reasons for the inclusion of the Bulgarian empires is also well sourced. I summarize them again below:
    1. First Bulgarian Empire: This empire was established by the Turkic Bulgars in the Danubean region. Except for some Bulgarian nationalist circles the Turkic origin of Bulgars is accepted by majority of scholars. The subject population of First Bulgarian empire was Slavic. Turkic Bulgar ruling class converted to Christianity in 864. Within a hundred years they were completely assimilated into their Slavic subject population. However between its establishment in 681 and Boris I's conversion to Christianity in 864 AD this empire was a Turkic empire. After 864 western historians substitute the word Slavic Bulgarians for Turkic Bulgars but the transition period from Turkic to Slavic goes well into the 10th century. In the light of this sourced information I will list the First Bulgarian Empire as a Turkic state. It can and should definitely be listed as a Slavic empire as well. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    2. Second Bulgarian Empire: This empire was not only ruled by dynasties of Cuman origin but also most of the boyar noble families were also of Cuman extraction. Therefore with the proper comments and explanation this state too should be included.
We can not list the Ottoman Empire as a Turkic state and leave other states, such as the Bulgarian empires on the ground of population numbers. If that were the case many of the states in the list - including the Ottoman Empire- would have to be taken out since they too did not have a majority Turkic population at one time or another in their lifespan.
I will try to improve the list with further comments explaining the inclusion of some states.--Nostradamus1 (talk) 01:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Big Excursion

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[edit] Russo-Turkish War

My thanks for restoring missing information on that page. Sorry, I didn't catch it. I'll try to be more thorough next time. Kansas Bear (talk) 06:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-31 List of Turkic states and empires

I, along with another editor, have taken the case. You are listed as an active party. Please come over and comment.  Mm40 (talk | contribs)  21:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I don't know how you got the idea that I didn't know anything about the word before I read the Wikipedia article. I don't even know why you are arguing about this. People with Ajam as their surname were Iranians in the Arab World who used this name for themselves. The bottom line is that if you are not Iranian, please do not use the word towards someone who is indeed Iranian. In the diff, you could've easily substituted it with a more acceptable word.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore about this. I have already stated previously what the consequences are - it is now up to you to understand this. Khoikhoi 06:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)