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[edit] Canada

shd: Is this place in Canada? You should mention the country in all articles describing a place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shd (talk • contribs) 7 February 2003.

Are you an idiot? Where do you think Ontario is? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.226.10.99 (talk • contribs) 1 October 2005.

Don't be rude. The person who posted this is from Finland, and probably isn't an expert on Canadian geography. And we do have to be as specific as possible on Wikipedia; we can never just assume that people have knowledge of where Ontario is, whether we think they should or not. Bearcat 05:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, we must be rude, but the guy from Finland should know that Ontario is in Canada because it stated it earlier in the website. Jonathan Schmitt Sudbury, Ontario, Sony rules...

Each article on Wikipedia is an independent entity. There's no such thing as "earlier in the website". Bearcat 22:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population

Whoever changed the population figure to 55,248, could you please provide a source? Wikipedia does not post random population estimates; we use actual census data. Which means, like it or not, that the 2001 population stays on the article until the 2006 census data is released. Bearcat 08:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Write more stuff

Hey somebody besides me should write more stuff on North Bay. There's not enough space for the pictures. We could remove some pictures but that would just be a crime. ColenFace 09:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources Needed

Great article, but no sources. It would be a shame to have to delete whole sections because of this. Anyone have any ideas on this? BFD1 01:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

No deletion of sections is warranted or necessary, a simple google search of the Studio 2 "talented towns" program aired on TVO in 2004 will verify their selection of North Bay as being a highly artistic community. Likewise, regarding the city's top employers, the city of North Bay website has a list of the city's top 100 employers and the top 10 employers are all from the public sector. This information is there for all to see if they just take a minute to find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.179.9 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your input. Those sources need to be cited in the article, it's not enough to assume the reader will go look them up himself. To assume so would kind of defy the logic of an encyclopedia. If you can add some links to the article, that would be great. (See WP:Cite for tips.) Otherwise, you could copy and paste the URLs to this talk page and I will place them into the article. BFD1 14:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
From what I have seen, as being a resident of North Bay, the people who are fixated with only using information that can be backed up by awful sources ruin the articles. I for one would like to see the sources that considers roads (being Cooks Mills, Feronia, and other garbage like that) "communities." There is such thing as common knowledge information that if found in more than four sources does not need to be cited (unless a direct quote), but oh wait, wikipedia doesn't work this way like the rest of the academic world. What a joke this is. Also, many people consider web page articles (ones you can hyperlink) weak sources because in many cases they can not be verified, if it is from an online database, sure the person can leave a link but many databases like this require a paid login. Last time i opened an encyclopedia to look something up (a book encyclopedia), the article did not have hyperlinks nor did it have sources written all over the place. To do that and to cite bad sources in my mind would defy the logic of an encyclopedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.13.72.231 (talk) 21:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] New "Mayor" section.

I added a Mayor section because, well, because I live in North Bay and thought there should be a mayor section. Add what you want into this section as long as it's correct. Like if you know whenthere is a new mayor, write it in, and put past mayor's below. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andokool12 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Snow

why aren't there any pictures of north bay during winter. north bay has the longest coldest winters ever, and showing pictures of north bay during the summer is like trying to make it look nicer than it really is so people come here, like anyone would want to come to our little town anyways, freezing during the winter, covered in shadflies during what summer(what little amount of summer we have), not to mention the increasing bad weather each summer. was last summers tornado even mentioned on this page?

platinum blonde 05:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Last summers tornado was not mentioned because it was not actually a tornado, it was an intense storm with strong microbursts that would explain the fact that there was never a single path of anything destroyed but yet sporatic patches that got hit worse than others. And without photoshop how can they make it look nicer than it is, that is how it looks like in the summer, where is the bias, thats when a lot of the outdoor activities happen anyways. I have an idea, how about you go out and take some pictures of the snow... but oh wait... its March and we have none. By the way, it does reach 30C sometimes unless you only stay here for the winter and migrate south for the summer. Also the shadfly season does not span the whole summer, its more like 2-4 weeks at most, and as far as I am concerned the weather has been getting better. Do what you want, but you make little sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.13.72.231 (talk) 21:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] communities?

   * Airport Hill
   * Birchaven
   * Camp Champlain
   * Champlain Park
   * Cooks Mills
   * Feronia
   * Ferris
   * Graniteville
   * Hornell Heights
   * Lounsbury
   * Marshall Park
   * Nipissing Junction
   * North Bay
   * Pinewood
   * Redbridge
   * Sunset Park
   * Thorncliff
   * Trout Mills
   * Widdifield

those are the communities of north bay, where I live. i will say right now there are no separate communities in north bay, just areas/subdivisions. it just looks like the author ripped these names off the bus routes, which are going to be changed this summer as it is.

airport hill is not a community, it is a hill. if you are wondering what the name of the subdivision is up there, it is called wallace heights.

birchaven in a subdivision on trout lake. camp champlain is not a community but a campground on lake nipissing.

champlain park is a provincial park on highway 17 east.

cooks mills, i dont even know what that is.

feronia, once again, what is that?

ferris, yes there is a ferris, called West Ferris, it is one of the three communities that amalgamated in the 1960's to form the city of north bay.

graniteville, one again, a subdivision.

Hornell Heights is a busroute and the former name of the CFB base here until the city tokk over in the late 1990's.

lounsbury, dont know what that is.

Marshall Park, a part of West Ferris.

Nipissing Junction, an old mto inspection station on a road leading to callendar, as well a bus route ending at a strip club.

north bay, the city itself.

pinewood, once again, a subdivision.

redbridge, an independant village outside of north bay and a former bus route.

sunset park, a school in north bay.

thorncliff, dont know what that is.

trout mills, dont know what that is.

widdifield, one of the former three to make north bay, and a high school.

if you are going to post the "communities" of north bay, get them right please and dont just rip off bus route names

Speaking of which, if you are going to make it just out of the bus routes and bus display signs, i would like to see: College, Campus special, Lakeshore, Downtown, Overload, Waterfront, Thibault, Out of Service, welcome aboard, and "Welcome to north bay" as parts of north bay... Why not even include the bus model as an area, Orion V, MCI Classic, D40LF. I hear there is even an area called "Stop requested" and "wait until the green light to open the door" also "please exit via rear door" as well as "release lever to open emergency exit"

As for what was said above, it is totally correct, none of these "communities" have any reflection as to what this city is as a whole, many of them are streets and neighbourhoods and others are schools and bus routes as said before. I just wish the clowns that throw this garbage together would listen to the people in the area instead of assuming they are always right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.64.11.244 (talk • contribs).

Hello, and thanks for your input. You've clearly outlined a problem with the article, namely that there is currently no reliable source for the information about communities. Thanks for taking the trouble to state the correct names here on the talk page. For now I am just going to remove the section from the article entirely. You can insert the community names as you have stated them above if you can provide a reliable source which verifies those name. This is simply a matter of procedure. Thanks again for your contributions - I hope you like wikipedia and decide to stick around! BFD1 15:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
On second thought, removing the "neighbourhoods" might be overkill. I am just going to tag the section as requiring citations for now. Cheers. BFD1 15:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
A lot of the neighbourhoods were taken from some maps I have. I think others users added some more. To verify their existance, I reccomend using the Statistics Canada website and typing them in to the search function with GeoSearch. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I would love to see these so called maps that considers Lakeshore drive and Marshall park drive an area of the city. I for one would love to see you verify your data as well and give support for it because... to be honest... it is totally wrong. I live in North Bay and don't really feel like going out of my way to please someone like you who thinks they know my city. As for the criedibility of wikipedia, I think it is awful because of know-it-all people like you who run it. No wonder even High School kids are discouraged from using it as a source. I can tell you one thing... that map you have is stating the roads in the outskirts such as Ferronia and Cooks Mills which I believe are off highway 63 which heads east towards Quebec. Take a look for yourself... or maybe take a course on reading maps. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.187.25.125 (talk) 21:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
Please be civil in your conversations with other editors. This really isn't the place for personal attacks, and carrying on in such a manner is liable to reduce your credibility, not help it. BFD1 18:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate External Links

I have once again removed inappropriate external links from this article. Please see WP:EL for clarification on what kinds of links are appropriate.BFD1 14:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and have removed it once again. Remember, the burden of showing whether or not a specific website link meets the inclusion criteria of WP:External links lies with the person wishing to add the link. Discussion here would be welcome, of course. -- Satori Son 01:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It's Birchaven, not Birch Haven

not only does the bus route spell it right, so does every website that involves the name as so:

http://northbayphoto.blogspot.com/2007/06/birchaven-cove-park-1st.html it has a City of North Bay sign that spells it directly

http://www.northbayclassifieds.com/view_ads.asp?category=Real%20Estate%20Sales it is referred to here as birchaven by a local resident selling his house

http://www.bestwesternontario.com/north-bay-attractions-lodging/ the Best Western North Bay referring to places to visit in the city

http://www.youronlineagents.com/ricksanderson/foundlistings.php a local Remax agent selling houses

http://sudbury.foundlocally.com/Sports/Rec-Beaches.htm Sudbury, a neighbour city, advertizing places to go swimming

Need I say more? This site prides itself of its accuracy, maybe the person who administers this page should check his.

[edit] Prominent People

I re-added Michael J. Fox to the list of prominent people who live or have lived in North Bay. I don't see why he was removed, he did live in North Bay for a few years when he was a child. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.179.9 (talk) 05:12, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge North Bay Nugget to this page?

There is a section for media on this page. Perhaps the North Bay Nugget page is redundant? It would eliminate a stub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kville105125 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's goal when it comes to stubs is to improve them into high-quality articles, not to eliminate them just for the sake of eliminating stubs. And media sections in city articles are always meant to be simple lists that link to independent articles about the individual media outlets; they should never by themselves turn into the only information we have on a major daily newspaper. Bearcat 18:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Importance rating

I have raised the importance rating on this article to "Mid", to be consistent with most of the other Ontario cities. PKT (talk) 22:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)