Talk:Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov

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[edit] Orchestral

A well known peice that is attributed to Nikoli is Dance of the Tumblers, played often in middle and high school orchestras.

R: That's actually "Dance of the Skomorokhi" from Rimsky-Korsakov's opera Snowmaiden, Act III. Perhaps the Workslist should include a sub-category for "famous orchestral excerpts." (Fifi)

[edit] List of Musical Works

In my Wikieducation today I learned about the proper use of lists. So I removed the prospective list of Rimsky's works from this article to create a proper list outside of it. Given that this was a major act of cleaning up the article, I removed the "clean-up" template that had been inserted this month. Mademoiselle Fifi 23:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Major Literary Works

The current listing of his literary works is missing the critical information about when he wrote them. The dates mostly refer to publication of editions, which is nice for currency, but we need to include when he wrote each and when they were FIRST published, please. --QwertyAZ 10:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've made a stab at revising to include some of this information, although exactly how it should be formatted remains unclear to me (a straight book-listing format doesn't necessarily "allow" for what an encyclopedia should provide in this regards). I'll look at some other samples in Wikipedia. --QwertyAZ 10:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Aren't the Practical Manual of Harmony and Principles of Orchestration scientific textbooks rather than works of literature?--Cancun771 19:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I think one would call them music theory texts; not scientific. I assume that it says "literary works" in its broadest sense, any sort of writing (i.e. "according to the latest medical literature" or in this case music theory literature), as opposed to his musical compositions. I'd say this usage is okay, but if we think readers might get confused and think that the Practical Manual of Harmony and The Brothers Karamazov are the same sort of literature, then maybe we should change it/--JayHenry 20:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The synesthesia question

I know that Scriabin had this, but this is the first time I have heard the R-K did too. The citation refers to a single book that apparently discusses the condition generally, which I have obviously not read. Is there some confusion here between Scriabin and R-K or did they both have it? Wspencer11 12:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

RK associated different tonalities with different colors. This was documented by Yastrebtsev. I'd have to do some more research to find out whether RK's perception of other aspects of music (instrumental timbres, etc.) had comparable effects on his senses. Mademoiselle Fifi 13:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov
Birth name Nikolai Andreyevich Rimsky-Korsakov
Born 6/18 March 1844
Tikhvin, Russia
Died 8/21 June 1908 (age 63)
Lyubensk, Russia
Genre(s) Romantic
Occupation(s) Composer

A strong consensus has emerged against using infoboxes designed for popular contemporary artists on the pages of historic composers (see Infoboxes_for_composers). I propose to leave the photo where it is but move the infobox here for comments etc. Thank you. - Kleinzach 03:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The infobox has just been put back on the article page - without any explanation here - and against the consensus at the Composers Project. Does someone want to start an edit war? If so I'm not participating. --Kleinzach 04:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Regarding this particular box: Rimsky-Korsakov was not a Romantic. The word Romantic doesn't even occur in Richard Taruskin's article in Grove. Also the way the dates are presented is confusing. As in the case of the other (bio) infoboxes for composers - this one merely misleads. It doesn't inform. --Kleinzach 04:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Kleinzach. Until a better userbox for composers can be designed, the modern-music infobox is hopelessly problematic. --JayHenry 04:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Get rid of it per centralised discussion. It's inaccurate. --Folantin 08:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keys or Notes"

The synesthesia section is confused: the text says key, and the table says note. For example, Eb=dark bluish-grey, but is this the note E flat, or the key E-flat major?? --Vlmastra 01:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Keys: I clarified it, and added another cite (from the Oxford Companion to Music, "Colour and Music"). Scholes gives the list there as "the colours evoked by the major scales in the minds of two Russian composers" -- and then titles the list "keys". Antandrus (talk) 02:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Atheism

An anonymous user removed the "Russian atheists" category from the article earlier. I've added it back with back-up sources. They are lengthy, and may be obtrusive and not placed in the appropriate place in the article. But perhaps a claim of some controversy such as this does need more than one source. If anyone wants to edit or rearrange them, feel free. Dekkappai 02:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

There is a tremendous amount of material in the footnotes for compositions devoted to RK's atheism. Could this be condensed?Jonyungk (talk) 02:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar and Spelling Mistakes

Because I do not know the accepted spellings for many names in this article, I do not feel competent to edit them without further knowledge. However, a more informed individual might strive to clean up the varying (from one line to the next, as it happens) spellings of names and groups. There are also a number of grammatical mistakes in this article. I hope to point all inconsistencies out, but as it is, I am just pointing out the general problem. 67.35.243.183 (talk) 22:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC) I was not signed in when I wrote that... Sorry. DeftHand (talk) 22:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)