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How does the NDP represent "liberal" views??? Social democratic/democratic socialist/left-wing/centre-left...for sure. But "liberal"...no way. Verged

  • "liberal", in the small-l sense, can mean a lot of things. In many parts of the world, "center-left" falls into that definition, and I assumed that's what the author of said statement meant during my first glance over it. Perhaps if you elaborate on what exactly you object to in that definition (bearing in mind that it clearly does not refer to the views of the Liberal Party of Canada). --SpartanCanuck 07:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

They are liberal in a way that they like to defend worker's rights, they are against the Iraq war, very keen on the environment, etc. zblewski

It also says on their website that they are are for eliminating all discrimination agaisnt people based on their ethnic origin, sexual orientation, and gender. 74.100.0.150 00:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Canadian Troops called 'terrorists'

Should there bee a small bit about a NDP riding association saying that the mission is being guided by the United States and that Canadian troops are acting like “terrorists.” ? There is alot of talking in the news media, and with the NDP's convention this weekend, what do you think? Should it be added? [1] SFrank85 18:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that a withdrawn preamble to a resolution proposed by one riding association, which hasn't been adopted by the party because it was slated for presentation at a policy conference that hasn't happened yet, deserves special mention. Or, at least, if it does, then Reform Party of Canada should mention the policy resolution to overturn the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that failed at that party's 1994 policy convention, because it's not neutral point-of-view to decide that only one party's internal controversies deserve to be spotlighted on Wikipedia. Bearcat 03:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the Wiki policy is on including policy resolutions--whether they made it to the convention or were withdrawn--but the article about it is factually incorrect. This part, "likening them to terrorists." is flat out wrong and is even contradicted in a later sentence: "Canadian troops risk end up acting like terrorists,". Clearly the preamble says they face a risk of acting like terrorists not that they are terrorists and the article should be changed to reflect that.--Robert McClelland 03:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The with amount of controversy and media speculation surrounding the event, there is no way this controversy should be excluded from the page. Doing so would be censorship. If Mclelland doesn't like the wording, fine, let's work on it, although I stand by what I originally wrote. I understand Mclelland is actively involved with the party and its policies, but there is no reason that anyones political beliefs should trumpet how information is stored on wikipedia. This controversy must be mentioned, and failing to do so is nothing short of censorship and an attempt to hide the uglier parts of the history of the party..--Splatto 10:22, 11 September 2006

Sorry, Mr. Splatto, but I can't agree with your assessment. We are, after all, talking about a proposed resolution brought forward by a single constituency, that was promptly withdrawn. To put it another way, it was a "media scandal-du-jour" rather than an event of encyclopedic significance. There's quite a bit that could be said about the NDP's position on Afghanistan, but the previous edit was obvious POV-pushing. CJCurrie 15:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the text previously added to the page was a bit slanted. However, under the heading "Principles, policies and electoral achievement" nothing is said about defense policy nor the NDP's position about Afganistan. Would someone that knows something about this add something? Or is their position a bit too unpopular perhaps? Not a word in the entire article mentions this. --Sheldonc 16:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I quite agree that we should add something about the party's take on Afghanistan -- let's just make sure it isn't slanted. CJCurrie 16:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


I'll write something up about the NDP's position on Afghanistan. Contrary to what Mr. Splatto says, I'm not actively involved in the party or its policies. Because I'm new to how wiki works I have two questions though. Should this go under the first section, "1 Principles, policies and electoral achievement"? And can the index have more than one level of nesting like this: 1.1.1? --Robert McClelland 22:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

  • (i) I'd put it near the end of the article (ie. file in chronologically).
  • (ii) Yes. CJCurrie 22:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • (iii) I'd definitely touch on it, the party's radical stance on Afghanistan is one of their defining characteristics

[edit] NDP Conventions

Does anyone know if they have any information about past conventions? I was watching on CPAC and this one is the 22nd convention. We should create an article something along the lines of this one: Labour Party Conference -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image of Jack Layton

We have professionally-done portraits of Tommy Douglas, David Lewis, Ed Broadbent, Audrey McLaughlin, and Alexa McDonough, yet an informal, impromptu image of Layton—he isn't even facing the camera. His facial expression is rather gloomy, as well. Thus, could somebody find a more encyclopedic photo of Layton? I would do so myself, but I'm quite busy with other things both within and without Wikipedia. -- WGee 02:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

  • A new image for Alexa McDonough needs to be found also that doesnt violate any rules.Kelownian 20:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Base of support

Who tends to support the party? As far as I know, it's urban progressives, union workers and farmers, but a)should something on these lines be included b)is it citable? Biruitorul 05:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question about 2006 election

The article now says: "On January 23, the NDP won 29 seats, a significant increase of 10 seats from the 19 won in 2004. ... The NDP kept all of the seats it held at the dissolution of Parliament .... [I]t gained five seats in British Columbia, five in Ontario, and the Western Arctic riding of the Northwest Territories."

If it held all its old seats, and picked up five plus five plus one, it seems like the gain was 11 seats, not 10. Can someone clarify or correct? JamesMLane t c 06:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It won 19 in 2004, but held 18 at dissolution. 18 held + 11 won = 29 won. Biruitorul 08:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I've re-written the sentence to include this fact, so that other readers don't think we added it up wrong. JamesMLane t c 09:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Social and Economic Justice?=

This is a rather ambiguous term which I have removed from the introduction of the article. It would be hard to find a party in Canada that would NOT say that it supports these ideals, though they would have very different conceptions of what they mean.

[edit] Vandalism

It seems that some readers believe that NDP is an extremist leftist party led by Joseph Stalin. Perhaps this page should be locked? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.63.96.86 (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Lillian Dyck

I added back in the 1 member of the Senate that the NDP has. NDP recognition is irrelevant to the facts, and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. GreenJoe 22:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Party recognition is not irrelevant to the matter; there is no member of the Senate who is entitled to sit in NDP caucus meetings or speak on behalf of the party on a political issue. Party recognition is the crux of the matter, not an irrelevant aside. It's correct to note the matter of Lillian Dyck in the article, but it's precisely because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that we can't misrepresent her as being a member of the NDP caucus. Quite apart from the question of her parliamentary status, she doesn't even hold a membership in the party as an individual. Bearcat 22:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Party logo in the 1970s and early 1980s"

Is it me, or is the logo meant to be an abstract depiction of the Canadian Parliament? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.12.201.68 (talk) 03:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Affiliated membership/union votes

I suggest that the bulk of my 00:36(CST) April 2nd Post be allowed to stand. Perhaps with some minor edits, eg. some alternate wording for 'so dominated by', or placing the Winnipeg Declaration before the addition, replacing the idea of interchangability with the idea that it is often reported 25% of the vote is simply allotted to labour/union affiliates or (labour) unions. At 25% the article stands much better than at 45%, but it seems to me the intent of the constitution was to extend affiliated membership well beyond unions, and if this were brought into fruition it would cut down on the unions 25%, if this is not reasonable I would at least like to see a discussion of why it isn't Thank you Jethro 82 01:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Municipal

I don’t think that we should include the municipal politicians and Miller in particular. None of the federal parties represented in Ottawa have municipal wings and all have members elected as mayors. It is simply true of every party everywhere that its members are active in levels where the party does not itself participate. It reads as though the note is there to say that New Democrats are successful. --JGGardiner 19:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name should be changed to "New Democratic Party of Canada" to distinguish the federal party from the provincial parties and of "NDPs" of other countries

I know that the federal NDP has direct links with its provincial counterparts, unlike the federal Liberals or federal Conservatives, but since this is talking about the federal party, I think this page should be renamed "New Democratic Party of Canada". There are political parties named the "New Democratic Party" in Albania, Saint Vincent, and Sri Lanka. Renaming this article would help alleviate some of the accusations that the English wikipedia is North-American biased. When seaching "New Democratic Party", a disambiguation page should pop up to reduce potential frustration from non-Canadian wikipedia viewers. User:R-41

WP:NAME says to use the most common name. I'd argue it should be called "NDP" instead of the suggested new title. But if that can't be done,t he current name is better. GreenJoe 02:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Well that's not the case when searching "Democratic Party", if it was, the U.S. Democratic Party should show up. Oh well, if that's the case for wikipedia as a whole then I'll accept it. Though I think that English Wikipedia has got to change some policies such as that one to reduce the accusations of North American bias. R-41
The party is not called the New Democratic Party of Canada! I cringe whenever someone calls it that. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
If this page we're to be moved, it would be to New Democratic Party (Canada) as per convention, and not New Democratic Party of Canada because that's not the proper name. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 23:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Bearcat 05:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
While there may not be any other "New Democratic Parties" it would be useful to have (Canada) added so that people using categories to navigate will know that this is a Canadian party. Reginald Perrin 19:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The New Democratic Party (NPD; Nouveau parti démocratique in French) is a political party in Canada. I think that clears it up for anyone reading the article. Honestly, titles do not need to be dab'd just for the sake of it. The title tells you who the subject is. The article can tell you everything else. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 16:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Skeezix1000 16:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

There are over 2500 pages that link to "New Democratic Party". Of those who want the name changed, who is willing to volunteer to go in and fix all of the links that will now be to a dismbiguation page? It wouldn't actually be 2500 fixes since a few hundred might be from talk pages that don't really have to be corrected, but the remainder would have to be. I think before a change is made, you should sort out amongst yourselves who is going to undertake this time-consuming and tedious task. If the idea is to make "New Democratic Party" a redirect to "New Democratic Party (Canada)", then it would just be a waste of time -- there would be no point renaming the article -- Royalguard11's comment explains well why there is no need to put excess information in the article name. Ground Zero | t 21:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I see no need to change, as it really seems to be fixing a problem that doesn't exist. (Boy, that was a wordy way to say "if it ain' broke, don't fix it.) Agent 86 17:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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