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Neverwhere was an absolutely incredible read, and by far one of my favorites of all time. Now i live in the United States , so I never saw the TV series, and hadn't even heard of it when i read the book. Incredible book. Worth every page...

Having just finished reading the book (on the train on the way back from London) I completely agree with you! I was only vaugely aware of the TV series when it was on - is it worth investing in the DVDs or do you think it will spoil it? Thryduulf 20:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I bought the DVD series, and thought it was interesting to view them, particularly after having read the book many times. The main frustration I experienced was in the low-budget effects, sets, etc. of the episodes. While, in a way, this was charming, and reminiscent of Doctor Who, I found it more distracting than anything else. The only significant difference between the two is that the book contains much more back-story, and many of the occurances in the series are much better explained. I would recommend watching, but not taking the series too seriously—the book is still foremost in my mind. Abhorsen327 16:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] List of people/places?

Do you think there would be benefit in a List of real places in the Neverwhere universe article (but with a much better name!)? e.g. Knight's Bridge, Earl's Court, etc. Thryduulf 20:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary, other additions

Although what is currently contained in the article is of fairly good quality, I am considering making it a personal project of mine to edit this article, providing it with a short-to-medium length plot summary, list of places and their relationships with real London places, and a discussion of the similarities and differences between the TV series and its counterpart, the novel. Would there be any objections among fellow wikipedians to such a project? Thanks for your feedback! Abhorsen327 16:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Far from objecting to it I'd like to encourage you to do it! Thryduulf 17:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I just added a plot summary, based on one I just wrote for a school project. I would greatly appreciate any input! Coming soon(ish): a section on placenames, a discussion of the similarities and differences between the series and the book, and general edits in format for the rest. Comments, suggestions, etc., are very welcome! Abhorsen327 18:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Separation and WikiProject Novels formatting

What do people think about the possible separation of the various usages of Neverwhere (novel, television show, etc), with a disambiguation page as the main Neverwhere link? I know that the television show and the novel are extremely similar, but I feel that the novel would benefit a great deal from being formatted according to the WikiProject Novels template. I would be willing to take on this task and write the copy for, at least, the novel. I'm planning to convert the books that I know best (the ones which currently only have stubs or non-WikiProject Novels formatting) into much longer, WikiProject Novel format articles, and Neverwhere fits into that group of books. Please give comments on this, since it would be a drastic change to the current article, and one that I feel goes beyond be bold. Please express your support or lack thereof here in the talk page, with a bold statement of support or oppose, and sign with four tildes: ~~~~ Thank you in advance for your comments! Abhorsen327 22:09, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree that a split would benefit coverage of the novel particularly. I'm not certain that a dab-page is needed though, I'd just use topline disambig on one aritcle at Neverwhere. As the TV show came first, and is possibly better known, I'd suggest that be at Neverwhere with the book moved to Neverwhere (novel) or Neverwhere (book). Thryduulf 23:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Please if you want to use one of these prefer Neverwhere (novel) and Book is not precise enough. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
My main reasoning for the dab page is that I'm not sure which version of Neverwhere would be more widely sought-after. I know I, personally, heard of the book first, and then discovered the TV show. I can see how a dab on the TV show page would work, sort of like the dab functions on Sabriel or Battlestar Galactica. Abhorsen327 00:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
While I can understand the justification for a dab page, I feel that a topline dab would be better; I'll now do a Google search to try to establish which format has more notoriety. Nihiltres 01:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I can't decide which has more notoriety - each has approximately equal coverage from a "Neverwhere" search on Google. I would suggest that the book be rated, however, as more notable -there is a higher median number of hits on "Neverwhere book" and "Neverwhere novel" than the median hits on "Neverwhere video", "Neverwhere series", and "Neverwhere movie". Nihiltres 01:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind which way round they are, so I'll go with your results and suggest Neverwhere (TV series) as the alternate title. Thryduulf 14:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Nihiltres just asked me to post that since there is already a topline dab for Neverwhere, he suggests that there be a full dab, not just a topline. I'll start working on this project in my sandbox as soon as I finish what I'm working on now. Abhorsen327 16:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, although I was working from a blocked IP at the time, 207.236.151.102, using a proxy I was able to ask Abhorsen327 to post this. Either way, since Neverwhere already has a multiple topline dab, a full dab page is in order. I'd work on it, but I have something in my sandbox to finish too. Nihiltres 01:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I had forgotten the existing topline disambig, so yes a full disambig page is apropriate. Thryduulf 09:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Support - although all things appear to be going along the right lines I thought I'd drop a note to say I agree and that turning this entry into a disamnbiguation page seems the right way to go. I'd suggest something simple like:
  • A TV series by Neil Gaiman that spawned a variety of other adaptations:
  • Den, set in a seperate fictional world also called Neverwhere

Or something like that. Things seemed to have been stalled a few months ago and I'd be happy to do the splitting but I don't want to step on anyone's toes if they already working on this so... (Emperor 15:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC))

OK I made the disambiguation page and added it as a hatnote - the disambiguation at the top was getting pretty messy and was just not being that helpful. If people want to do a full split and move the TV series and comics to their own articles and move the disambiguation here then that is fine and this can be considered as an intermediate step to that. If a film does emerge then we may need to look at this issue in more depth as being first chronologically doesn't necessarily get you top page rights - see Road to Perdition as a big example - the top article is the film despite there being an article on the comic series it was based on). (Emperor 17:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC))

SUPPORT The page the way it is is too long, confusing and difficult. We deffinately need a dab link to clean things up. Witchbaby 06:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

I was just reading the article when I came across a contradictory statement concerning the US DVD being region specific. Is it or is not region specific? This issue isn't very clear. Wolf ODonnell 16:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah its a bit odd - that bit reads more like a discussion on a talk page. As far as I can tell the DVD is R1 encoded - if anyone knows different can they point us in the right direction? However, on a slightly broader view is it even worth putting in? If so then it might be worth saying "It hasn't yet been released in the UK and people importing the DVD should check encoding" - although reading it even that seems unecessary as people will have to do that (and all reputable importers like Amazon) make sure you are aware of it. (Emperor 02:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC))
Clarified the point with a reference to neilgaiman.com (User:Dragon Dave)

[edit] Primary Cast?

Wondering if we should add Islington (Peter Capaldi) and Hunter (Tanya Moodie) to the primary cast. Not listed with the others on imdb, but fairly important to the plot, I'd say. --fauxcouture<T> 02:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Ditto for Tamsin Greig as Larmia, the velvet who almost kills Richard. --Nantonos 23:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mentions in Popular Culture

It seems a bit vague to mention lyrics that may not refer to the novel, especially without any citation or quotes from the band. 124.176.65.149 12:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Also, white kind of citation would it need? A lyrics site? - 24.4.80.228 02:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New novel page

Since there seemed to be general agreement on the issue, I went ahead and moved the novel info to it's own article at Neverwhere (novel). CKarnstein 18:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the Novels Project box from this page and put it on the talk page of the new article. Aleta 00:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)