Talk:Music of Final Fantasy VIII

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[edit] Merge into encyclopedia article

A series of short article based on the music of FF8 have been merged into this general encyclopedia article. The purpose of this is to consolidate the material, which will ultimately make it easier to reach GA. Most of it is poorly written; don't shoot the messanger, or in this case, the merger. — Deckiller 18:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese track names?

FFVIII doesn't have Japanese track names, unlike FFVI and FFX. I should add Japanese track names, but is it necessary? I feel that it is necessary to add those to the albums as well --Sjones23 23:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not an issue of precedent. All FFVIII music was released with English track names. Yes, in Japan too.—ウルタプ 00:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mentioning the demo...

Should the fact that the demo had a totally different piece of music from "The Landing" be mentioned somewhere (though without referenced to The Rock that someone is sure to make)? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 19:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely, if we can find a source. — Deckiller 23:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA push

Hey; it looks like all we need are a few general refs for the albums and other minor tweaks, then we can probably attain GA status without an issue. — Deckiller 23:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

That'd be nice, but I would really like a creation and influence section. I'll see if I can't dig up any Nobuo interview from back then. Axem Titanium 01:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to go for the GANom anyway; it's not really a huge deal for GA status, and we might be able to find something before the review is given anyway. — Deckiller 20:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US Release

As I said in the edit summary, I own it...plus, if you'll notice, the picture of it was left there even when the info was taken out. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 20:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article passed

Excellent work. No immediate concerns come to mind regarding this article. I suggest it be forwarded to FA as soon as is convenient. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 17:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

Can we remove the infoboxes and consolidate the track listing so they appear nice and neat like on Deus Ex? That might help us take a step toward FA. — Deckiller 01:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I already had that in mind. I've done it with the OST. --Teggles 02:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Awesome. — Deckiller 02:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy section

A Legacy section might actually be quite easy to make. FF8 music has appeared in numerous concerts, the black mages have covered it, and so on. We could easily rack up a couple paragraphs and maybe more, since I googled and found interviews with the condutors for FF spinoff concerts, and black mages interviews. — Deckiller 04:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah, once again, I had that stuff in mind. :) By the way, the change to the album image order you made doesn't look too... sightly. Mind if I revert it once the "piano collections" section is long enough not to use a "clear" tag? --Teggles 04:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dead refs

  • Note 9 is a dead link, I looked at the rest of the site but am not sure which page this link should be replaced with.
  • ^ Nobuo Uematsu (2005). "FINAL FANTASY VIII Original Soundtrack". SQUARE ENIX MUSIC. Retrieved April 18, 2006.

Kariteh 13:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Note 15 links to the same site as note 16 instead of somewhere on Square Enix's official site.
  • ^ Uematsu, Nobuo (2005). FINAL FANTASY VIII Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec. SQUARE ENIX MUSIC. Retrieved on 18 April 2006.

Kariteh 14:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

All set. Thanks for pointing those out. — Deckiller 23:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually note 9 wasn't fixed, so I went ahead and put the link to the main page of the album listing, which has the date of release that was meant to be sourced. I'm not sure it's the best page though, since its title is a big "SQUARE ENIX MUSIC Download"... Kariteh 09:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy

I bet we can add a significant amount of info to that section. I know Tour de Japon covered "The Oath" and was perhaps the climax of that show, and several other musicians have covered "Eyes on Me" and other things. As an aside, I think we can all agree that this game has the best music in the series :) IX comes close, though. — Deckiller 23:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Los Angeles wasn't the only place where the "Dear Friends" series of concerts were played. I think I've heard something about some more recent concerts aptly named "More Friends". They may have played some songs from FFVIII. Kariteh 09:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I think we could probably stand for two more images. A lead-off image of some sort to put in the lead, and one in either the creation or the songs sections. Perhaps a screenshot of Rinoa and Squall aboard the ragnarok to illustrate one of the scenes in which the music plays? Or from the intro? For the lead, perhaps an image of Noruma or something else? It might be hard to find such images. — Deckiller 00:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  • In the creation and influence section, the best and most realistic image to use would be Nobuo Uematsu. For the reception and legacy section, I'd like to see an image like this: [1]. As you said, for the song sections, a screenshot would be our only option (unless there are images of the orchestra who created it, Faye Wong etc. - anyone have the OST to check?). By the way, is there any reason the legacy information is together with the reception? I never really found it logical. --Teggles 01:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • That image is PERFECT. Rinoa is such a fantastic character. — Deckiller 01:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Restore the Articles for the Albums

I strongly disagree with the move that was made to merge all Final Fantasy VIII albums into one encyclopedia article. Each Final Fantasy soundtrack or album has their own individual article, and there should be no exception for the FFVIII soundtrack or albums. Besides, the albums Final Fantasy VIII Original Soundtrack, Final Fantasy VIII Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec, and Final Fantasy VIII Piano Collections are all individual albums, and therefore there is no reason why they should not have their own seperate articles with general information on each of them, an infobox, and a list of tracks on the album. So I say that these articles be restored to their original state to stay consistant with the format of the other Final Fantasy soundtrack and album articles, and articles for music albums in general. –Nahald 23:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

They are stronger together, and stand much more of a chance of attaining a higher article standard as a combined article. In other words, as individual pages, they will lack the ability to become GA or FA; they will always remain as stubs. This concept is being followed for the remaining Final Fantasy games, and has already been implemented at Final Fantasy X albums. Heck, one of these pages was just an infobox and a list of tracks. Nobody from the WikiProject has disagreed with the merge(s), so there is a clear consensus. Moreover, the material is stronger because the creation, criticism, and lead sections tie everything together. Our goal is to have all articles reach at least GA, and if an article cannot reach GA on its own, it is just a petal of a flower. — Deckiller 03:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
You can make whatever argument you want, but the fact of the matter is that the info on all of these albums have been significantly watered down from their original content, you don't even do so much as list their release date. These albums are treated as nothing more than footnotes in this article rather than being given proper coverage that all other music albums on Wikipedia get. They at the very least deserve an infobox and a list of the tracks that are on the album because, to be quite frank, I found the coverage of these albums to be much more useful to in their original state than the state that they are right now. But hey, what the Hell do I know? I'm just a user here at this website, and everyone knows that the opinion's of Wikipedia's users are nowhere near as important as Wikipedia's ambiguous policies! –Nahald 08:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It lists the release dates — as well as other information — in the prose. The extensive track listings can be viewed in the references and external links provided. We aren't exactly dealing with a 10-song Queen or Rush album. — Deckiller 19:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
As Deckiller stated, all of the information you want can be found in this article; aside from the track listing, which is linked (so why would you need an infobox?). Besides, listing the tracks is pointless... can you give me one reason why you need them? Remember, Wikipedia is not a game guide, so you'll be in the same situation as those demanding game guide information. Sure, it'll be useful, but it's just not Wikipedia's goal. --Teggles 23:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA yet?

The article looks really good now. In fact, I think it may be ready for FAC, which is probably the best place to stamp out any last issues and concerns. Thoughts? Axem Titanium 19:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

  • This might get shot down at FAC becuase of the reliability of sources. Honestly, I think we're best just keeping it at GA and taking what we can get. I'd rather not have to get into a debate defending the sources we have to resort to. On the other hand, we might be saved from such nitpicking, since the claims aren't exceptional - they're just listing release dates and whatnot. — Deckiller 21:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I think it may be near impossible to get a deserving FA. Look what I had to write in the Piano Collections section: "A total of 11 user-created reviews on Amazon.com reached an aggregate of 95.5%." That's about the only real "reliable" reception the album can be given, but it's hardly adequate. A Class should be the next goal. --Teggles 04:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Agreed. Sandy told me characters of FF8's refs were fine with rationale that they were reliable for the subject could fly, but this might be too much of a stretch for FA status. — Deckiller 05:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Liberi Fatali

  • "Liberi Fatales" = Latin for "Children of fate" or "Fated children"
  • "Liberi Fatali" = same thing but with "Fatali" in the singular form (while Liberi is in the plural)

It's just an instance of Ratin. Not as common as Engrish, but it happens... Kariteh 18:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not really notable or sourced. Citing a Latin dictionary would be original research. It doesn't really have to be mentioned. Axem Titanium 18:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. Regardless of what this mention is (and I think it's not unnotable nor OR), it won't change the fact that the alternative is totally erroneous. Liberi Fatali simply doesn't mean Children of Fate. Kariteh 11:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
It's just so silly... Since when giving a translation on Wikipedia is considered OR and needs a source? Nobody sourced the FFT articles when it was added that Shishi Sensou means The Lion War; nobody added any OR or fact tag to that sentence. Kariteh 11:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eyes On Me

Should be merged into this article. Kariteh 11:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah Final Fantasy fans are the only people that count. Kappa 13:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I know, people who do things out of process are the only people that count. Seriously, take a look at the two versions. One is a neat section in a good article. The other is a crufty repetition of the first, along with a humongous plot summary that was already repeated elsewhere. Aside from the fact that the merge/redirect was discussed and agreed upon, which version would you prefer? Axem Titanium 14:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

"Yeah Final Fantasy fans are the only people that count." -> Yes, that's exactly what I said. [/sarcasm]. Kariteh 14:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep separate - I think that Eyes on Me should stay where it is. Although quite scruffy, all it needs is to be tidied instead of the "lazy" way and just merging it with this article. It was released as a single and there are many many more non-notable singles on the wikipedia. RIANZ 00:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the "lazy" way is to give everything a separate article instead of attempting to maximize flow, organization, and quality by consolidating loose concepts into a stronger whole...— Deckiller 01:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Well said. Show me a Good Article-quality version of the article in your sandbox and I will reconsider un-merging. Axem Titanium 01:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I see where you're coming from and understand that but I've noticed that less than 24 hours was given for the merge and then it was done. I doubt it merge proposals work that way since people do have to vote on whether to merge or keep seperate. I guess a "new lazy way" to do things has been found to justify turning an article into a disamb page. It explains why the Eyes on Me article is getting reversed. It would have been fine if noone cared that it got merged but someone (other than myself) did care. As for the sandbox challenge... If I had the time and wasn't too busy concentrating on two other wikiprojects (comic and New Zealand music) I would. Though I doubt you could do any better than merging it. RIANZ 02:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The fact is that it had already been merged long before User:Kappa revived it without discussion (see its article history). The merge was a long time coming and I don't think some hot shot with an agenda should have the power to unilaterally undo that (to the crappy old version no less). Axem Titanium 03:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, lucky I'm not the referred to hotshot, hence why I really can't be bothered starting an edit war. But it may have been the "most universally disgusting article ever made in the history of the wikipedia and defies being even associated with the Final Fantasy project" but really it just needed work. Yes, I could have done work on it, you could have done some work on it. The "hotshot" could have as well. But instead the simplistic (I refrain from saying "lazy") way was taken because someone found it that repulsive I'm positive they "threw up in their mouth" a few times whenever they viewed it. Now to regurgitate all this on the project... how tedious... but fun :-p RIANZ 03:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
You continue to miss the point. — Deckiller 15:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image position

With such a narrow image, it looks better to me outside the infobox. See my sandbox. Advantages: infobox is shorter, within section "Eyes On Me"; less white space. Opinions? - Fayenatic london (talk) 21:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right. It does look better that way. Axem Titanium 21:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eyes On Me 2

A waltz version of this song was played at the party after the wedding of Princess Märtha Louise of Norway and Ari Behn. There used to be a video of it here (titled Se bryllupsparet svinge seg i brudevalsen (Windows Media Video)), but since it happened in 2002, the video is long gone. I know this is a long shot, but I was wondering if any other Norwegians who frequent this site might remember it and know where I can find a copy. I think it'd be an interesting addition to the article if a reference could be found. Davhorn 07:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Dunno about the video, but the "waltz version" is in the game, called 'Waltz for the Moon' on the soundtrack. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 10:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:EyesOnMeSmall.jpg

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fixed- rationale added. --PresN 19:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Odeka Ke/de Chocobo

Through Googling I found that most sources, the vast majority of them, list track 8 of disc 3 as "Odeka Ke Chocobo", 2 times as many as sources with "Odeka de Chocobo" actually. Can someone verify which name is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.174.14.87 (talk) 15:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Next time, you should check the Official Website, where they name this track as ODEKA ke Chocobo. Makes sense, since in Japanese, odekake means leaving or going, I'm sure — Blue。 07:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC).
NEVER trust the internet by "more people say this than that". 95% of websites, especially for websites about tracklists and whatnot, just copy off of each other, mistakes and typos included (even big names like iTunes do it). As Bluerfn said, find what is official, and trust only that. And once you've done that, double check. Sometimes even THEY don't know... happypal (Talk | contribs) 01:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] iTunes version of Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec different

I am unsure of whether it worth mentioning in the article that the version of the FLWV album sold in the iTunes music store differs from the physical CD version (the iTunes version has a truncated "Ending Theme" and is missing the "Eyes On Me" track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThisistheHenry (talk • contribs) 17:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)