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[edit] Expert Needed

This article doesn't do justice to the immensity of Music Education, and is in serious need of an expert. Orff and Kodaly aren't even mentioned! And I don't see why the "curricula" of the U.S. and Great Britain should take up 90% of the article. When I find the time (which probably won't be soon), I'll start doing some major contributing. --Crabbyass 03:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, starting with cleaning up this popular misconception. The only research on this shows a minor impact that lasts no more than 10 minutes, and is heavily questioned. "There are many additional benefits training young children, as well as older children and teenagers, in music. Brain activity is increased which, in turn, strengthens spatial-temporal reasoning and skills in abstract reasoning (skills used in math and science). The brain learns to organize better and perform several tasks at the same time, by practicing the many facets involved in playing a musical instrument." Ashmedai 21:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Importance of Music Education

The important of Music Education is downplayed in the U.S. The school systems are removing the music programs because of budget reasons. It is forgotten that music had a tremendous amount of benefits that will go with students for the rest of their lives. User:Wlhunter 02:19, 11 July 2006

Agreed, but it isn't only downplayed in the U.S. - it happens everywhere. Nevertheless, this article is still a joke and needs some serious attention. --Crabbyass 23:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

May I ask why you think this article is a joke? User: Wlhunter 01:14, 12 July 2006

Ok, so "a joke" was a bit harsh...sorry, I was a bit cranky. Truth be told, it HAS improved greatly these past few weeks. Only a few months ago, the article consisted of nothing more than a brief outline of the history of music education in the U.S. Nothing more. As good as it is getting, I still personally think there's a LOT more information that should be there. This has been on my "to-do" list for a while, but I've been too busy to tackle it. Kudos on your and everyone elses contributions. --Crabbyass 20:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tobin Method???

In all of my studies (which include a masters degree in music education), I've never heard the "Tobin Method" even mentioned, much less explained. Is this a pedagogy primarily employed by British music educators? Is it in present use? Just curious... OscarTheCat 21:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


Is Tobin Method really a major method worth citing in an encyclopedia? I suppose it might be worth a single footnote. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.197.109.128 (talk • contribs) .

The Tobin Method seeks to teach music by integrating notation with colours. It is current, but not at all widely practised in the UK. It is certainly NOT a major method worth citing in this encyclopedia. Captaingrumpy 23:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More methods

I'm concerned that this article is becoming a menangerie of nonacademic, nonresearched "methods". May I suggest that one criterion for including a method, approach, or learning theory in this article be that the method, approach, or learning theory have a documented, rigorous research base? As far as I know, these would include only:

  • Dalcroze eurhythmics
  • Orff Schulwerk
  • Kodaly method
  • Gordon Music Learning Theory
  • Suzuki Method

If it necessary to include other methods, they may be listed under "Other methods" with brief descriptors. But the bulk of the "Methods" section should be (IMO) devoted to the four five I mention above. OscarTheCat3 22:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Theories

I kindly disagree. According to this, Galileo's view of the Universe should have been listed under "Other Theories"? and maybe Picasso, Satie and John Cage under "Other Techniques"? GeeZee2 23 October 2006

You may disagree (that's what talk pages are for, having a dialogue), but I'm not sure I follow your logic. Please elaborate on your point so I may better understand your position. OscarTheCat3 21:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I think I see where you're coming from, but I find it a bit contradictory. When Galileo et al first proposed their theories, I'm sure if there was such an encylopedia they would have been listed as "Other Theories". It has only been through rigorous testing, wide-spread adoption and time that they have become part of the standard discipline. As such, the same criteria proposed by OscarTheCat3 should apply. Galileo's inventions/discvories, Picasso's "Cubism", John Cage's philosophies and Satie's overall weirdness (for the lack of a better term) have all been heavily researched, documented, studied and followed all over the world. Likewise, so have the five main methodologies mentioned in the article. Correct me if I'm wrong (I, also, have never heard of the Tobin method), but I don't think the other methodologies can survive the same kind of scrutiny. While I have no doubt that they are effective approaches, do their lack of a comparable following/research-base warrant a placement in a list of Main methodologies? -Crabbyass 05:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jazz Ensemble

Hey, everybody. Just an idea for an addition to the little sidebar on the Music Education front page... I think Jazz Ensemble should be added to the list of instructional settings.

If I was a teacher, I'd add it myself. Any thoughts? Realdeal 55 01:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] May I get good in music without attending any music school?

I think some people know about music well without going to music school. But some are not. Why? Is it depend on the state or the country that he lives in?

[edit] Gordon's Music Learning Theory deserves more prominence

Perhaps I am bias to Gordon's theory of music learing because it was the basis of my undergraduate studies in music education, but I am almost certain that it was the first research-based theory on how children learn music. Correct me if I am wrong. Also, 'method' is not the correct word to describe many of the music education philosophies listed in the 'methods' section. Teaching methods can be derived from Orff's or Kodaly's ideas, but they are not methods themselves.

[edit] Unsubstantiated Claims

Many of the claims made in this article's opening paragraphs have either been refuted by research or have not yet been properly verified. As a music educator, I hear many of these arguments used in favor of music education on a regular basis, but many of them do not hold water. It is true that music has been included in the body of educational topics of many societies, but perhaps we need to better examine why this is, and to further validate music on its own merits, rather than as a panacea for education in general. 72.241.135.248 02:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University Opportunities

The paragraph discussing the opportunities to study music education at the university level is quite restricted to overview classes for people outside the field. Music education has become a quite popular opportunity for students to MAJOR in a field that influences others. Music educators are often overlooked, and should get their chance and deserved spotlight for influencing our culture, and everyday lives. Just a thought, but I really felt as if something should be added about the opportunities that are out there to become a music educator, not just the chance to study music for fun or academic credit.

[edit] External link suggestion

I would like to suggest an external link that I believe would be of strong relevance to the music education topic and provide visitors with a significant source of additional information on a large variety of music education issues. MusicEdMagicis a professional music educator portal that provides timely and useful articles on issues that currently affect music educators of all disciplines. The site includes a large, highly categorized music education resource directory as well as an interactive music composer timeline and database that teachers can use as a presentation tool in classroom settings. These things are in addition to hundreds of professionally written articles on a variety of topics. The site is published by the current technology editor for the MENC's Teaching Music Magazine and also is a regular contributor to Technology and Learning Magazine. Thank you for your consideration.

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MaestroC 17:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Place of inspiration for potential musicians

There are many people who want to study music, but how do you know you want to do it? How far do you need to get into it? Basically, the study of music brings everything together--history, government, the other arts--everything is connected.

Here is a place you can go to find out if you're really into it. There's a new place on the internet called The Classroom, and I'm the designer. It's a place you can go to learn about music. There's a room for each topic, and it's designed to be fun. There are nearly 100 rooms you can investigate, and there are myriad things you can learn about. You can learn about the basics of musical form, what to listen for in music, how the instruments sound, and music of the past. There are wonderful interviews with some of the greats in music like conductor Christopher Hogwood, Roger Norrington, pianists Van Cliburn and Andre Watts. Now, it is based on classical music but there are excursions into popular stuff, too. Music is a tradition that's been around for hundreds of years

The important thing to remember is that we are all at different levels of knowledge. Also understand that it is almost impossible to learn EVERYTHING about music in one lifetime. When you're facing more than 1000 years of history, the study of music can be a bit daunting. The point is--find something you're interested in, whether it's learning how to play the piano, or sing, or maybe you want to write. Just don't stop listening.

Don't let anything or anyone prevent you from pursuing your dream. Give yourself at least several years to know for sure. If you're interested in looking at this website, just click on The Classroom

I guarantee you'll have fun. Doord (talk) 15:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)