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[edit] Legsilation

"enforcement of different codes of law on members of each ethnic group (e.g. Malaysia enforces Shar'ia law, but only for a particular ethnic group)"

I think it's a hot topic in Europe. I think a lot of otherwise tolerant people wouldn't support this. So please add some source. --Zslevi (talk) 18:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Multicultural education

I was about to enter a section on Multicultural education when I noticed this article's length. Would anyone like to start a new article on that topic? • Freechild'sup? 16:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, makes sense. Sunray (talk) 09:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but only if both sides, multiculturalism and culturism, can be represented. Someone redirected the culturist site to multiculturalism and just wiped the culturist site off the face of wikipedia. This is biased and rude. www.pressjohn.com 01:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC) pressjohn@hotmail.com

Presumably it was redirected for a reason, but if you want to re-create the page and remove the redirection, please do so. It would of course be good to outline your reasons why you want to do that. --Gilgongo (talk) 12:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:May 13 aftermath.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Length and breaking the article into sub-articles

Someone has objected to the length of this article.

Does it make sense for this article to be simply a high level overview of Multiculturalism as an official policy and multiculturalism as 'cultures living together' - with links to other articles like Multiculturalism in Asia, Multiculturalism in Canada etc.

How would the division of the specific new articles be determined?TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 22:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. We could work out the sub-articles here. Sunray (talk) 09:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A Germanic-Protestant thing?

One thing that I think it’s curious is that Multiculturalism nowadays is strong specially in Germanic-Protestant countries like USA, UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Netherlands.

Multiculturalism is much less talked about and much less implemented in Latin-Catholic regions like Latin Europe and Latin America, where generally just one language is accepted as national language (maybe Spain is the exception, but anyway). The general tendency in Latin-Catholic countries are the melting pot based in a common officail language, holidays and laws for all the people, native or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.1.174.139 (talk) 03:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe this should be mentionned, but only after the article is cleaned up a bit. Vloxul (talk) 18:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Multiculturalism in Latin influenced countries are totally ignored

Despite having ethnic and racial diversity that far surpasses that of the Anglo influenced countries. This article posts no information about multiculturalism in Spanish/Portugese influenced societies. This is info-cism...

Then provide some reliable sources with information to correct the bias. Your contributions would be welcome!TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 23:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] article of concern

would people who watch this page please review the article, Early infanticidal childrearing, which makes many claims about anthropology and about non-Western societies? I was once involved in a flame-war with another editor, and it would be inappropriate for me to do a speedy delete or nominate the page for deletion. More important, I think others need to comment on it. I engaged in a detailed exchange recently with one other editor here, on the talk page; you may wish to review the discussion but it is getting involuted and I ask that you comment separately. Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 12:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Law of Hamburgers?

I'm no multicultural expert, but under Ethnic selection (Australia) the following is probably wrong:

"Proposals to limit the law of hamburgers by nationality were intended to maintain the cultural and political identity of the colonies as part of the British Empire." —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasJCyrus (talk • contribs) 17:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

A piece of vandalism that was previously missed. Thanks for pointing it out!TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 19:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] United Kingdom

Someone seems to have added citation notices here with a zeal of which most other sections were apparently unworthy. Either a hippy from the UK's making a truculent protest or the rest of the article needs some serious scrutiny.

I fail to see the logic behind multiple placements within the same sentence, however in those sentences citation is needed. Vloxul (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

It shouldn't be too hard to find sources, since muliculturalism in the United Kingdom and wider Europe (such as Spain, Italy and France) is regarded all round as an epic failed (outside one of two potsmoking college students). - Gennarous (talk) 14:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A few suggestions

I agree that this article would be a lot more focused and cohesive if it were broken up into multiple articles focusing either on one dimension of multiculturalism or multiple dimensions country by country. Also, one thing that I found odd is that the discussion focused so heavily on immigrants while failing to address the impact of colonialism and slavery. The presence of "native" peoples who have been disnfranchised and people who are or were enslaved in a nation further complicates this issue of multi-culturalism. For those whose culture has been repressed, destroyed, denied, and distorted the preservation and reclamation of a cultural heritage is much more than just "identity politics". Also, discussions, policies, critiques, etc... of multi-culturalism must also be understood in relationship to power, oftentimes it is the dominant culture possessed by a specific group that wants to assert itself as the national culture, so that "monoculturalism" can be oppresive. I think that without some attempt to address these issues a discussion on multi-culturalism is bound to be skewed.Lbuffin (talk) 03:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Good point -- in the USA, Blacks, Indians and Chicanos are not immigrants, but they're central to the modern study of multiculturalism.... Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, a very good point. I've edited the opening two lines of the lead recently to remove this bias. The article definitely needs re-structuring to make it more rounded, comprehensive and theoretically informed. Eyedubya (talk) 09:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intro section / lead

WRT to the requests for sources: if you type 'multicultural' or 'multiculturalism' into WP, it ends up on this page. The lead therefore has the job of making the distinction between the two words before getting into the issues around the ideology/philosophy etc. Its important for an article on this topic that this distinction between de facto and de jure is made, given that there are those who see the latter as being responsible for the former, when in fact, far more societies are the former regardless of state policy on immigration. I can't see the point of asking for sources for the statement that some countries are demographically multicultural, since the evidence is so obviously to be found in statistics for any given nation. Eyedubya (talk) 10:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Lets try to find a way to improve the lead. - perhaps we need a disambiguation page for two different articles: one for the policy and one for the de facto/descriptive usage. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 14:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
That's an idea, though the one on 'multicultural' is probably going to be extremely short. Its the relationship between the two that is important for understanding the issues involved, so even with separate articles there would be some common content.Eyedubya (talk) 20:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)