Talk:Mother's Day (United States)

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[edit] Dead or alive?

"Tradition calls for the wearing of roses or carnations on Mother's Day — a red one if one's mother is alive, white if she has died, pink if one is not certain, and yellow if you killed her." I have never heard of this before, especially the part about a pink flower. Source?

You're right. I have NEVER EVER even heard that, let alone witnessed it. I'll search the internet for more information on that, but if I don't find anything I'm going to delete it. Cereal box conspiracy 00:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

--208.255.68.2 22:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)This is an old tradition I remember from my childhood (I'm 60 now). I have never heard of the pink flower, but I would presume the not knowing if your mother is living or deceased would be a result of family separation or adoption...something along those lines.

It is correct. Originally Anna Jarvis called for wearing a white carnation, but at least as early as 1913 a florist's ad in the Boston Globe calls for "bright flowers for mother living. White flowers for mother's memory." Dpbsmith (talk) 15:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
The pink flower remark was vandalism, like a lot has occurred on this page the last few days (hence, the protection). If you look at the history, I believe you'll find it was changed along with another edit which was more clearly vandalist (although I can’t be bothered to find it now). Grauw 11:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure, I've heard that a pink carnation means something. If anything would could be called incorrect, I'd say it was the part about yellow meaning that you killed your mother.Amethystskye 01:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Cookie

I changed the cookie caption. "Baking a cookie is one way to show a mother how much she is appreciated" is not technically false, but it implies that baking a cookie is particularly associated with mothers day, like a Christmas tree around Christmas or easter eggs on easter. Its more like jewelry on Christmas or loli pops on easter. Sure, both of these things would be appropriate for their respective holidays, but they are not the essence of the holidays in the way that Christmas tree and easter eggs are. Caption now reads: This cookie shows a mother how much she is appreciated on Mother's Day. --Jon in California 5 May 2007 (LOVES HIS MOTHER!!)

[edit] Cookie or Cake?

As noted in the Wikimedia Commons discussion for the image, the photo is of a giant decorated cookie, not a cake. 65.96.156.231 19:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure it's actually a cookie? It could be a cake, and it's labeled by the person who took it as a cake... 165.82.109.44 22:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

It's definitely a large cookie.

i agree it does look like a large cookie

I believe it’s just yet another harmful edit by the vandalist that’s messing with this page all the time the last few days. I have reverted it earlier. And no, I don’t think it looks like a ‘large cookie’, and the picture’s description (and file name) clearly say that it is a cake. If you disagree for a good reason, please log in with a user name and change it back (including in the image’s description). Grauw 11:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mothers' Day or Mother's Day ??

Seems to me like its a day for all mothers (Mothers' Day). But maybe the creator of the holliday called it Mother's Day since it was just for her mother (and not her grandmother or any other mother in the world). I do not know but if it were up to a vote I would go with the first punctuation. Does anyone know for a fact? --Jon in California 5 May 2007


Mother's Day, a day for all mothers.

http://betaphor.wordpress.com/ 19:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Why does the US need a separate article? most of this information is in the US section of the main article anyway. 130.246.132.26 13:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

you're right...

I agree, this info is already in main article. Makgraf 00:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I also agree-this should be merged.

I agree that it should be merged into the "mothers day" page or at least the reference to the United states removed from the title, it is appears to be valid for many more parts of the world than the US.

I think there is value to having it separate; emphasizes that mother's day is not exclusive to the united states and makes info on the holiday easier to parse if you're specifically looking for details on the u.s. holiday, i.e. what day is mother's day for ME in the states, rather than some dude in lithuania.

Merge becauwe Mother's Day is an international holiday. The merged article could contain a paragraph that would say something like, "Mother's Day is celebrated on various dates around the world. There is a partial consensus to celebrate it on the second Sunday in May, when it is celebrated in more countries than on any other date. This is the date on which Mother's Day is celebrated in the United States, the holiday's country of origin." Bigturtle 22:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Merge This article is short enough to fit in the other article. Things specific to the US should be in their own subsection of the BIG article such as the original poem and the history. Do not delete any USA Mothers' Day info but do include it in the big article. --Jon in California 5 May 2007

There is no difference between the TWO. United States has nothing to do with anything here lol.

disagree - there are no dates of mother's day in usa for various years like in this article. if that is the case then you should list that and who wants to read a ton of different lists of dates from every country?

disagree - Wikipedia is becoming increasingly US-centric. I think that to emphasize a more universal view individual country's rituals should be left out of the main article. Skillet 17:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It should not be merged... Not the same article...

http://betaphor.wordpress.com/ 19:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I don't think Howe's June 2nd "Mother's Day" is the ancestor of today's Mother's Day

I tried to partially repair a muddled introduction. Howe's and Jarvis' "Mother's Days" were not the same. Howe's was on June 2nd, not on the second Sunday of May. Howe's had died out decades before Jarvis began working for recognition of own event.

I haven't seen anything to suggest much of a connection between the two events. It's far more likely that Anna Jarvis was thinking of her mother's "Mother's Day Work Clubs." It's conceivable that Jarvis' mother might have known of Howe's event and might have been thinking of it when she named her clubs, though my superficial research didn't turn up anything like this.

However appealing it is to suggest that Howe was "the" founder of Mother's Day and that a feminist, antiwar movement morphed into a kinder-küche-kirche vision, I don't think there's any basis for this narrative. If there is, I'd like to see good sources. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other Countries

Just wondering, is there some reason why countries other than the US have chosen the second day of May to also celebrate Mother's Day? I don't see anything in this article about that after being redirected to it from the main Mother's Day article. -- Permafrost 05:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Anna Jarvis, Anna Jarvis, all Anna Jarvis. Every one of these countries is, consciously or not, commemorating the May 9, 1905 death of Anna Jarvis's mother. (That date was a Tuesday, but the following Sunday was the second Sunday). Establishing Mother's Day was the lifelong mission of Anna Jarvis. It was an international campaign from the beginning.
Cameron, Ruth (1912), "Observing Mother's Day." Boston Daily Globe, May 6, 1912, p. 2: "The new holiday became at once so popular that last year Mother's Day was observed, not only in every nook and corner of our own country, but also in Europe, in parts of China, Japan, Africa, and South America." Dpbsmith (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why U.S. article?

I think that pretty much everything that is covered in this article is covered in the U.S. article. Happy Mother's Day! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.242.75.29 (talk) 11:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

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[edit] Modified "Current Dates" section

I took the liberty to modify the Current Dates section by modifying the template Template:Second_Sunday_in_May/next_few to include the previous 2 years and bold the current year. I also reduced the number of future years displayed by 1 (it used to display the current year and 4 future years, now it displays the 2 past years, current year, and 3 future years). Discuss if you feel these changes should be reverted. ~ Agvulpine (talk) 10:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NASCAR??? WTF???

There's a section titled "Miscellaneous" that might as well be titled "NASCAR," since that's all the section actually deals with. The assertion is made, and I quote "By tradition, however, America's most popular summer sport{fact}, NASCAR's Sprint Cup series, stages no events for that Sunday or Easter." First of all, I thought "America's favorite summer sport" was baseball - with or without the steroids? Second, superlatives, such as "most," "least," "worst", "best", etc, are red flags for straying from NPOV. Second, if something's going to be cited as "America's most popular summer sport," it ought to be cited.

Sorry for the rant. Deleting the section in its entirety. Mtiffany71 (talk) 09:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pentecost on Mother's Day

Could someone find a way to say that Pentecost happens to be on the same day as Mother's Day this year? It's a rare occurrence, so I thought it's significant enough. But I just don't know how to fit in into the article cleanly. Sporlo (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NASCAR WTF

I did not see a thing in the article that talks about nascar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.148.214 (talk) 21:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pink and yellow roses wtf

I mean why why would they say "yellow if you killed her" come on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.148.214 (talk) 21:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mothering Sunday

Was this practised in the U.S. before Howe and Jarvis? Hakluyt bean (talk) 20:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)