Talk:Mongolian People's Republic

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[edit] Rename to Mongolian People's Republic?

Why is it P.R.M. and not M.P.R.? Obviously it's not mandated from the mongolian form of the name, since for they use the same grammatic forms for, say, the german democratic republic (bugd nairamdakh german ardchilsan uls) as for the federal republic of germany (holbooni bugd nairamdakh german uls). However, M.P.R. is vastly more common than P.R.M. I therefore suggest moving the article to Mongolian People's Republic. Yaan 16:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

correction: Mongolian for German Democratic Republic is Bugd Nairamdakh Ardchilsan German Uls.Yaan 18:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
That seems to have been a random decision when the page was created (as a redirect to Mongolia at first). I have no objection to a rename, as your suggestion is indeed around 100 times more popular in Google. --Latebird 16:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Some more rename candidates for consistency:
--Latebird 19:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Aaah, still a lot to do.Yaan 18:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Independence

Why was Mongolia not incorporated into the Soviet Union like other territories were as they were won back from the Whites (e.g. Ukraine)? The article doesn't mention this issue. Perhaps because it hadn't been part of Tsarist Russia, but the USSR never proclaimed itself as a nationally based entity, nor claim the Russian Empire's borders as its own (e.g. Poland).--Jack Upland 23:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The reason was that he Soviet Union also wanted relations with China, and annexing - even formally recognizing - Mongolia would have made that impossible. China after 1911 claimed Mongolia as her territory, and Russia recognized the Chinese claims (formally, of course). Mongolia simply wasn't worth it. It was only in 1945/46 that China would accept Mongolia's independence, a result of the Yalta agreement. However, these Chinese claims are probably more relevant to the history of Mongolia as a whole than to an article about the M.P.R. - the claims form part of the background, but had no immediate influence. At least not post-1921.
As for how the Soviets could annex Tuva, I don't really know. Probably they were confident enoughthat it would slip under the radar. Yaan (talk) 10:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
If I understand right, after the WWII, Stalin started pushing Choibalsan to follow the example of Salchak Toka, Tuvan leader who agreed to join Tuva to USSR. Choibalsan wouldn't agree. All his tyranny against the Mongolian nation are excused as price for the independence and he wouldn't trade the independence. It is said Choibalsan smacked Toka when he tried to pursuade Choibalsan to join Mongolia to USSR. Shortly Choibalsan died in the USSR. Gantuya eng (talk) 11:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there documentary evidence for this, or is this just some legend like Sukhbaatar travelling to Moscow?Yaan (talk) 11:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Which? Gantuya eng (talk) 11:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
in 1920 or 1921. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan (talk • contribs) 11:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I have heard this story before, too. I just feel that M.P.R. history is so full with often apocryphical stories that I've become a bit sceptical. Yaan (talk) 11:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems the USSR had Mongolia recognise Tuva's independence before it could annex it. Gantuya eng (talk) 11:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1911 Soviet Union?

Did the Soviet Union and Japan square off, or was it still Russia. It was 1911, after all. enjoymoreradio (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It was the Russian Empire in 1911. Gantuya eng (talk) 11:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] related article need attenstion

The article 1932 armed uprising (Mongolia) needs to be looked over. The article was made on November 25, 2007 has has barely been touched since and could use more eyes to look at it. There are also few wikilinks to it. The article cites only two sources, neither of which are online. Jon513 (talk) 02:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, printed sources are usually considered more reliable than online ones. So what exactly is your problem? (Apart from the fact that, like most articles, it could be expanded, of course). --Latebird (talk) 05:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)