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[edit] Muddle link muddled

I disabled the muddle link in the directions on how to make it because it linked to another page that was a Mr Muddle. I still don't know what muddling is but that's ok. Hinchu (talk) 01:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

      ♣   Muddling is using a tool, usually wooden, that resembles a small baseball bat, to mash up ingredients in the bottom of a glass before adding other ingredients.  They resemble a mortar and pestle, but the 
            mashing/grinding surface is flat (or a bit more flat), and mashes against the flat bottom of the glass.  Muddling is important because it releases the essential oils of the ingredient(s).  It's critical in 
            making a mojito (and several other cocktails) because otherwise you end up with limeade and rum.  Also, you'll probably want to use about twice the amount of mint shown on this page.
            http://www.drinkboy.com/BarTools/Muddler.html
            http://www.mojitocompany.com/home.php?cat=108
            66.167.206.113 (talk) 07:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC) (Just wandering by)

[edit] Bacardi =

"Its popularity is evidenced by its prominent role in recent Bacardi advertisements." The adveritsing campaign is hardly evidence of the popularity of the cocktail. This sentence seems to be an advertisement for Bacardi. The use of "recent" is non-encyclopedic; there is no indication of what time frame is considered "recent". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.156.135.88 (talk) 15:09:51, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References, Bond

I messed up the reference for Hemingway. Can someone who knows better than I do show me how to fix this?

Also, the item that state that James Bond "used one" -- can someone who saw the film write a better description than "used"? Did he drink it? Poison one? Seduce the villainess? MacGyver a hot air balloon out of a Mojito and trash bag? Travisl 18:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recipe

The basic recipe would probably be helpful. --69.183.169.247 04:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I tried it before, but consensus is that it's best left in the Wikibooks link Travisl 18:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an expert bartender but shouldn't that be mulled lime rather than muddled lime? - Mark Dixon 00:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure muddled is correct. "A muddler is a bartender's tool, used to "muddle" -- or make a mash of -- fruits, herbs, and/or spices in the bottom of a glass to release their flavor." I'll wikify the word in the article. Travisl 16:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

A muddler, was originally called a Toddy Stick, and was used to break lumps of sugar, in drinks such as the Toddy!-). A Mojito's mint is not mashed into a paste-like mixture, the muddler should be used to gently bruise the Mint leaves and release the aroma. Mashing the mint results in the vegetal flavours of the mint coming out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thinking bartender George (talk • contribs) 13:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

As I mentioned above in October of last year, recipes are best left in Wikibooks. See WP:NOT#GUIDE, which states, "Wikipedia articles should not include instructions ... or contain "how-to"s. This includes ... recipes." Travisl 15:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

But, just to show how confused I am (and perhaps contradict myself), see Template talk:WPMIXInfobox which states that one purpose of the template is reducing "nearly all contentious "recipe" information (which is generally considered not acceptable within Wikipedia) to a small list of key ingredients (which essentially defines the drink much like the chemical formula does a molecule), and very brief preparation steps. All of this is moved outside the article and into the infobox, keeping the article clearly more encyclopedic in tone."

However, they note in the template's discussion page that "one of the biggest challenges we face in dealing with drink recipes and the ... guideline that says not to include recipes." I'm confused, but I think that if we do insist on keeping the recipe, it should be in an infobox. Travisl 16:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're going to remove links, though, be consistent about it and remove all links from every cocktail entry on wikipedia. I've gone through every cocktail entry on this entire site over the last few years and cleaned up external links. Some are good-faith additions and are noticeably useful, especially if there is some background on the drink. Some are spammy copies of other people's recipes, on a site that's not much of an authority. Links are fine, we just don't need 20 recipe links for one cocktail. But at the very least, the ingredients and/or method should be sourced to an authority site, because people always randomly add ingredients to different cocktail pages that simply don't belong there. 70.149.186.21 16:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Link

Hello, I am one of the producers of watchmojo.com. We have 2,000 videos; I've been contributing to Wikipedia for a few months under Froosh, 24.202.247.12 and 66.130.88.90. I make corrections, add content and sporadically add external links to videos when they add to the content (about 20 recipes and guitar riffs from our archive of 2,000 videos). We own the rights so Wikipedia would not violate any copyright issues by linking to them.

Would an editor consider adding this video drink recipe of a Mojito to this page?

http://watchmojo.com/lifestyle/drinks/023_mojito.php

I saw that a Tom Collins video was added to the Wikipedia page, I spoke to Wil Mahan and he asked that I post this request here.

Thanks in advance

[edit] Caipirinha a spinoff?

Who the hell put that? I deleted it

If anything, it's the other way around, since caipirinhas have existed at least since the 1920s

[edit] Trivia cleanup

Thanks to the anonymous user who cleaned up the trivia/pop culture section. I would like to see the following changes, if nobody objects:

• A flaming version was referenced in the 2006 movie, The Pink Panther, when it was first being consumed in a casino by 006, in parody of the aforementioned James Bond movie.

I am attempting to improve the Flaming beverage article and planned to add more information about flaming mojitos. This ties in well with the prior bit of information and provides reference to the flaming version. It would be helpful to keep it.

• In the 2006 film, Miami Vice, Isabella takes Sonny Crockett to a Havana bar that is well known for serving mojitos, after Sonny tells her he's a "fiend for mojitos".

I'd remove this one. The original TV series was very notable, but the follow-up movie was quite the opposite.

• Mojitos are referenced on a regular basis in the TV Series CSI:Miami

The CSI Miami reference would be a better one (I think) to replace the Miami Vice one (and they are even both in Miami, how about that) :-)

--Willscrlt 00:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't the drink in Thank You for Smoking a Mint Julep, not a Mojito? It was always shown in a metal mint julep glass. And that does fit in better with the Southern US place-setting.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.9.118 (talk • contribs) January 16, 2007

A recurring reference to The Family Guy appears. It was removed earlier as one of the non-notable references. The most recent re-addition states that the dog drinks "one or more", which is rather non-encyclopedic. I am aware of this television cartoon, but have no clue as to how notable the show is or not, how notable the dog is on the show (or even why a dog would be drinking one or more alcoholic beverages--even Snoopy drank root beer) :-) If it's relevant, then lets get some hard numbers behind the statement (so and so drank 3 mojitos in episode "Dog gets drunk", or something like that). Vague references do not help very much. --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 05:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Brian is a major character of Family Guy, and is an integral part of every episode. He often drinks, but rarely mentions what he drinks, but he mentions the Mojito, in this episode, and is seen in other episodes with a green drink that is probably also Mojitos. I had never heard of the drink before I say this episode, and I would guess it is the same for many. Now, it is my favorite drink. My edit: "In the Family Guy episode Brian the Bachelor, the Mojito is mentioned by Brian as not being a gay drink, and he is seen taking a sip of one." should therefore absolutely be a part of this article, as it is more important than most of the other trivia entries. Either that or some of the more vague ones of the other trivia should be removed. Here is his exact quote from the show: "I didn't know there was going to be an open bar. And the guy really knew his stuff! He made me a mojito. I don't think it's a gay drink. Mo-ji-to..." [1] He pronounces the last Mojito with a Spanish accent. 193.157.239.191 22:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm Brian's big part of the series, and I agree with the aforementioned notion.Salem4 14:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

People are getting ahead of themselves. The idea behind listing the pop culture references are something people can recognize. The word "mojito" is spoken once in the entire history of the Family Guy show, that's far from notable. You might as well add a Family Guy pop culture reference to every food, soda, or company on wikipedia mentioned on the show. The Shop Girl reference is definitely not notable. Shop Girl was an obscure movie panned by critics that grossed $229,000 its opening week (compared to $25 million the first week for Miami Vice and $5 million for Havana Nights). So relatively speaking, nobody watched Shop Girl, its simply not notable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.230.195.228 (talk) 08:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

If you are a regular watcher of FAMILY GUY, you know that even one passing reference to something can be a major joke in the episode and series a s a whole. Because of the "character" of the show, there are a lot of single references to pop-culture topics that probably ANY serious fan of the show would understand if you repeated in their presence. I can guarantee you that any serious fan of the show repeats the word "mo-JI-to" either in their head or out loud, with the same inflection that Brian did in that one episode whenever the drink is mentioned in their presence. Therefore, it definitely warrants a pop culture reference here.

Thus is the genius of the show.

Relunctantly agree. Shopgirl made less than $20 million in US cinemas and shouldn't be considered notable. Also deletely Havana Nights which also made less than $20 million. Duggy 1138 19:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of how well something did, unless the mojito was some kind of central memorable piece of a movie, some guy ordering one at a bar once during a 2 hour movie isn't exactly information that requires recording in an encyclopedia.--Crossmr 06:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Unless anyone objects, I think that we should completely remove the pop culture section and add the Hemingway reference to the main area of the article. The pop culture area is too subjective, but its inarguable that Hemingway was known for Mojitos. Miami Vice is notable mostly because Bacardi used the film to help promote mojitos made from Bacardi. I'm going to rearrange things, if anyone doesn't agree, please add to the discussion. 74.230.195.254 16:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd support this. There's a lot of pages where the "trivia" or "in pop culture" sections are out of control. No reason for this to be one of them. Travisl 16:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's a trivia item that may be of interest. (Maybe not.) If you delete the spearmint and use still water instead of carbonated, you have.... navy grog. The classic British grog recipe was 1 part rum, 3 parts water, lime juice, and sugar. The rum was an incentive to get the sailors to drink the lime juice which prevented scurvy aboard ship. Does anyone think that is interesting enough to add? Too trivial or irrelevant? Thanks. --Newell Post 21:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

> Hearing no objections, I'm going to add this. --Newell Post 17:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add this link to the external links, Write-up on the Mojito - Thinkingbartender.com Thinking bartender George 13:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Method

When I did my cocktail course, it was stressed that the sugar and lime eighths be put in the glass first. The limes are then stamped with a pestle so as to scratch the skin surface of the limes thus releasing the essential oils (as with Caipirinha). For this reason, the sugar should always be white granulated or demarara). TinyMark 13:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Can I add in a measure of creme de menthe to the mix? Would it still be considered a Mojito? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.216.146 (talk) 07:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spam

Have removed the commercial links, which all appear to be spam. Socrates2008 02:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lemon vs Lime Juice

The IBA infobox contains a recipe from the IBA website that uses lemon juice [2]. While this might not be "traditional", the infobox is for an IBA recipe. The traditional recipe in the text of the article does not mention lemon juice.Socrates2008 23:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The recipe is incorrect in numerous ways, there is already a link to the wikibooks recipe, and thus unecessary. 74.230.210.104 11:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mint

Mint is not optional. I will fix that.

The reference doesn't specify spearmint, and in fact that's incorrect. The Cubans use (surprise) Cuban mint, mentha nemorosa. In the US that's hard to find so many people use mentha spicata (spearmint). As the reference doesn't say, I'll just remove the species. Rees11 15:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link spam again

I removed the latest set of external links. The first was already listed in the references, the second was blatantly commercial without providing any new information, and the last wasn't even about Mojito at all (it's about "non-alcoholic mojitos").

Someone reverted my removal, so this is obviously controversial. I would welcome discussion here and will go along with the consensus. Rees11 (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ice?

I know the IBA doesn't say to add ice, but surely only a madman would serve a mojito warm! Rees11 (talk) 20:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Mojito comes with ice cubes rather than with crushed or shaved ice. It's preferred to use as little ice has the condition allow to use so that the drink would not become warm. Mojito cocktail is clear and from well made cocktail you should be able to see through the glass.