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Contents 1 "A new album is widely expected to be released sometime in early 2006." 2 Members 3 WHere did you get this info 4 New Picture 5 Concerning the term "indie" 6 Rape 7 Critical/commercial success 8 Album done June 26? 9 Name Conceived Differently? 10 "Most Music Fans" 11 The new single 12 Modest Mouse documentary 13 Picture/members 14 More members? 15 Lo-Fi...? 16 Tom Peloso is not a core member. 17 Interesting 18 Emo? 19 Pickin' On 19.1 Isaac Brock Self-Mutilation and Album Leak 20 Sun Kil Moon's Tiny Cities 21 Modest Mouse is MODEST MOUSE not "just" Isaac Brock 22 Dashboard 23 John Wickhart 24 We need to put something about the live shows. 25 Someone straighten this out 26 Indie Rock?

[edit] "A new album is widely expected to be released sometime in early 2006."

Source for this?

It is my understanding that "widely accepted" simply means "rumored". I would cut that line, at least until somebody can confirm the information.

Tongo Zitheroo Ketchill

Reconstruction II

The Reconstruction programs and the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitution helped former slaves become full citizens of the United States. Do you agree or disagree with this statement? Write your opinion in a persuasive paragraph using specific facts and details to support your position.

Were amendments 13 thru 15 put in place to help slaves become full citizens of the United States? Amendment 14 section one, first sentence “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside”. In my on opinion it states all born in a state of the U.S are automatically given citizenship. A read thru them in my belief Will farther persuade you. Amendment XIII (1865) Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Amendment XIV (1868) Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state. Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Amendment XV (1870) Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

The Changing Nation 1

Of the many new inventions that became popular during the late 1800s, including the light bulb, telephone, and combustion engine, which do you think was most important? Write a short paragraph that explains your answer.

Preserving our food I believe is one of our most important dilemmas. Without a way to preserve our food will surely spoil in a short matter of time. Bacteria among other things needed to be kept away from our eatables were stopped by a simple invention created in 1810 by Peter Durand .The tin can first commercially began in 1813 and was The first canning factory stationed in England. Only able to create 6 per Hour A machine was invited in 1846 by Henry Evans that increased it to 60 an hour.

Peter Durand made an impact with his 1810 patenting of the tin can. British merchant Peter Durand made an impact on food preservation with his 1810 patenting of the tin can. In 1813, John Hall and Bryan Dorkin opened the first commercial canning factory in England. In 1846, Henry Evans invents a machine that can manufacture tin cans at a rate of sixty per hour. An significant increase over the previous rate of only six per hour.

The Changing Nation 2

Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, and J. P. Morgan took advantage of opportunities and built vast financial empires. Of these four individuals, which one would you prefer to be? Write a paragraph explaining your answer.

Good hearted men aren’t impossible to find but you will be looking for awhile. Philanthropist, industrialist, scholar, and activist these are just a few things Andrew Carnegie was and he is the man I would prefer to be. At the height of his career he was the second-richest person in the world, behind only John D. Rockefeller. Carnegie wrote The Gospel of wealth and wrote he believed that the rich should use their wealth to help enrich our society. In his rertirement he stateted he would oly receive 50,000 a year and donate the rest. Top it off with homble beginning he is the person I would prefer to be.

Philanthropist Industrialist Scholar and Activist 'self made man' At the height of his career he was the second-richest person in the world, behind only John D. Rockefeller of Standard Oil. 1898 when he purchased Skibo Castle in Scotland. He enlarged the aging castle on a massive scale: an excellent example of Scottish Baronial style. Thereafter, he spent every summer at Skibo until the outbreak of the First World War in 1914, Carnegie wrote The Gospel of Wealth, in which he stated his belief that the rich should use their wealth to help enrich society. Carnegie is known for having built one of the most powerful and influential corporations in United States history, and, later in his life, giving away most of his riches to fund the establishment of many libraries, schools, and universities in America, Scotland and other countries throughout the world. He is often regarded as the second richest man in history. Carnegie, a poor boy with fierce ambition, a pleasant personality, and a devotion to both hard work and self-improvement, started as a telegrapher. By the 1860s, he had investments in railroads, railroad sleeping cars, as well as bridges and oil derricks, and he built wealth as a bond salesman raising money in Europe for American enterprise. Steel was where he found his fortune. In the 1870s, he founded the Carnegie Steel Company, a step which cemented his name as one of the “Captains of Industry”. By the 1890s, the company was the largest and most profitable industrial enterprise in the world. He sold it to J.P. Morgan's US Steel in 1901 and devoted the remainder of his life to large-scale philanthropy, with special emphasis on local libraries, world peace, and scientific research.

The Roaring Twenties 2

A fad is something that is popular for a short period of time. Make a list of five fads that have occurred during your life. Ask a parent, teacher, or other adult about fads that they can remember. Make a list of five fads that were widespread before you were born. Holocaust

Why it is important for today's students to learn about the events of the Holocaust? Please give the events you consider to be the most important. Also, what can be learned from this part of history? Write a well-organized paragraph giving several reasons to support your opinion.

Terrorism

After reading how terrorism has increased because of extensive coverage by television and newspapers, do you think that media coverage should not report acts of terrorism? Write a brief paragraph that explains your thoughts. 7. New England Colonies 2

When the Pilgrims fled their homelands in search of a better way of life, they had ideas about what laws they wanted to establish in their new country.

If you had the opportunity to establish a community and write laws for governing it, what three laws would you write and enforce? Why?

13. The Union is Broken 1

John Brown was so opposed to slavery that he and a group of his followers murdered five people. Did John Brown use an effective method to fight slavery? Why or why not?

14. The Union is Broken 2

Do you agree with Abraham Lincoln’s belief that the union of the states is permanent and that no state has the right to get out of the union? Why or why not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.177.37.202 (talk) 19:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Members

How many people are there? It gives three names but it looks like four in the picture. Can someone clarify this please? HereToHelp (talk) 01:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Just from reading the article here it looks like they started as a 3-piece, then when the original drummer quit they expanded to 4-piece (adding a second guitarist in addition to the new drummer). Then the original drummer rejoined the band, replacing his replacement (confusing?: yes). Under the list of bandmembers it says "former member?" next to the second guitarist, so they either reverted back to their original 3-piece line-up or are still a 4-piece (and the question mark makes me think people don't know one way or another). This is just based on my reading the article here... Blogbourri 03:29, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Are you serious, read the article, they have four in the picture because it was taken before the two members left and were replaced by Jeremiah Green. Therefore, when it says former members it means that they left the band and the picture is older than the information.

That picture is a screenshot of their performance on Saturday Night Live, which is after Jeremiah Green returned. Dann Galluci was not replaced, he left fairly recently; his last show was late 2005. The Modest Mouse roster changes pretty frequently, and I think there were additional performers (members or not) offscreen in that picture. However the listing of band members near the end of the article is completely accurate as far as I'm aware.

i think its pretty dumb how this new guy is co-writing the songs. i doubt whatever he comes up with is gonna be as good as brocks stuff.

while I am also worried about modest mouse breaking down because of this-- you can't really call him a new guy. I mean, he played with the Smiths for ---'s sake

[edit] WHere did you get this info

ēēēāWhere did you get this information about a new CD? i think these guys are awexomeωæ Ąî

I heard it's supposed to come out this year from a reliable source... That is if Epic doesn't push it back to make a bunch of promotional deals... like last time.

The info on the origin of the band's name needs a citation. I've always heard that "modest mouse" was one of the phrases Brock had to repeat as a child as part of speech therapy for his lisp. 66.9.126.26 22:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

That information about the new album fails the Google test. I only got a handful of random forums buzzing around. Rolling Stone said Brock got decked out one night and broke his jaw. I assumed that's where his lisp came from. LockeShocke 12:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I recall reading somewhere (I forget where so ignore this as you see fit I suppose) an article in which someone who had known him since childhood described the lisp as one of his definitive qualities. However I think I could find an article in which he explains the origin of "modest mouse" (which is as the article says it is). Pance 23:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Concerning his lisp, if you watch the "Untitled Documentary" Isaac has a noticable lisp. This documentary was filmed in 1997, several years before his jaw was broken. --Arnesh 13:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Picture

We need a better picture. try the one on their myspace

[edit] Concerning the term "indie"

I don't have much of a problem with it, but seeing as how they're on Sony, a major record label, is the term "indie" really all that fitting for Modest Mouse?

It's appropriate. Indie rock is more of a musical style than an indication that a band is independent. Rhobite 03:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, "Indie Rock" is just going to cause disputes about the definition. I think we should use alternative. We don't want a revert war.

Indie rock has been used as a genre term for about twenty years, so it's valid to use. The concept of "indie" is covered at Indie (music). So there shouldn't be any confusion. I mean, does signing to a major label automatically mean your genre changes? I would beg to differ. WesleyDodds 00:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe if you signed to something like Murder, Inc. Indie Rock could also be consider Post-Alternative? Hm.

Listening to this band for the first time, it sounds like it fits neatly into the post-rock category to me. Compare to Mogwai, for example. Icemuon 18:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Obviously the above entry is a joke, as they're certainly not anything remotely close to post-rock. A select few songs are fairly long and more instrumental in nature, but again, the stylistic similarities to a band like Mogwai, Talk Talk, Slint, Godspeed You Black Emperor etc. are extremely slim.

Changing record labels does not change a band's genre of music. Indie as a genre is terrible to begin with. Not one "Indie" band sounds like the other. Influences range from electronica to Joy Division to the Rolling Stones to Pop. Interpol is an ALTERNATIVE band. Joy Division is an ALTERNATIVE band. Modest Mouse? ALTERNATIVE. Sunny Day REal Estate is an ALTERNATIVE band. Sonic Youth is an ALTERNATIVE band. Pixies = ALTERNATIVE. Alternative stems from punk rock. It's smarter; more experimental. Independent Rock? No. Just no. Independent Rock refers to the record label NOT THE SOUND. You don't sound independent you are indepedent. Modest Mouse is (clearly) an Alternative rock band. Let us please leave it at that because it makes so much more sense. - Aaron

Virtually all of the points you make concerning the limitations of the genre "indie" can be made similarly for the term "alternative". It is clear that there HAS been a music genre INDIE for years now, whether or not that is a good label to use is debatable, but it is what it is.66.232.72.41 07:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)Cubbie

What Aaron is right in pointing out is that, originally, the term indie referred to an independent label. It's since been thrown around so much that it is almost an identifiable sound. But the culture that Indie represents is one of rebellion against the Big 5. Because Modest Mouse, currently, is signed to one of those labels, I think it's appropriate instead to call them technically alternative -- "with an indie sound." That's the most appropriate IMHO. LockeShocke 12:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I would argue that Modest Mouse is indeed and indie band. They got their start and made their impact with critics while signed to independent labels. I'm averse to using the world indie to describe a genre, but it's a descriptor (however clunky) that people seem to understand, at least presently. What's more, "alternative" as a descriptor has lost almost all significance. Jedidiah 17:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• LISTEN! On theire myspace page, they list themselves as alternative/indie/rock. We should go by what the band themself says. Nuff said. Arnesh 01:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Wait, what? Just because a band labels themselves as something doesnt mean its actually so. I can make a rap group and label myself Country Music if I wanted to this doesn't make it so. 75.24.183.93 22:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rape

Why is there no mention of the incident where Isaac Brock, the singer of the band was accused of rape? -Lusy

• Because it is discussed at Isaac Brock.--Hraefen 19:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Critical/commercial success

• Not once in this article is there a single mention of critical success. Considering that "The Lonesome Crowded West" and "The Moon and Antarctica" are considered by many critics and tastemakers to be amongst the defining albums of their time, I find this lacking. Also, considering that "Good News..." has sold well over a million copies now, I think it's time that is noted.—Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanJohnston (talk • contribs)

• Yeah well, considering that there are plenty of people who think Modest Mouse are repetitive, banal, and mind-numbingly idiotic, it's good that this article fits okay in NPOV, huh?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.146.18 (talk • contribs)
• Please sign your comments. Well-cited quotes mentioning that Modest Mouse has long been critically acclaimed and that their last album sold well is in no way a contradiction of NPOV.--Hraefen 15:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Album done June 26?

Where, exactly did this information come from?

"As of June 26, 2006, the band has finished its recording in Oxford, MS at Sweet Tea (Dennis Herring) and has returned to Portland, OR to finish overdubs and mixing of the latest album. Johnny Marr is a confirmed member of the band, co-writing songs for the new album with Isaac Brock."--71.226.108.172 06:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name Conceived Differently?

I know that it's a common rumor that the name of the band came from the Russian composer Modest Moussorgsky. Can somebody see a relevant place where we can include this information or whether we should include it at all?

Geoff 06:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I heard yet another version of this story; Modest Mouse was a phrase that Isaac Brock had to repeat as an exercise for speech therapy to help correct his lisp.

Erm, the name came from a book Isaac read. He even said so in interviews. - Oatis

Isaac Brock has given multiple explanations as to the origin of the name. Perhaps that should be noted.

FINALLY, I found a source that says that the origin of the band's name is from The Mark On The Wall. Its here. Also, on the front page of what is now probably Modest Mouse's main fansite, it says the quote from the Mark on The Wall. So I guess I'll add that to the citation on the Modest Mouse page too.[1][2] Arnesh 01:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

well i found a better source, i think. the journalist Alan Goldsher (http://www.alangoldsher.com/) wrote an autobiography of modest mouse, although i still can't find an actual interview with brock which would be best. about two thirds through this audio exert (http://media.hbpub.com/stmartins/goldsher/alan_goldsher_modest_mouse_chapter_2.mp3) the name of the band is discussed 86.155.193.185 (talk) 21:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Most Music Fans"

I removed the following lead in to the sentence describing the reaction to The Moon and Antarctica: "Despite lacklustre support from most music fans..."

There is no way to prove this and it's irrelevant as far as I can tell.

Jedidiah 17:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The new single

It's available. http://download.yousendit.com/A3A9A6D828976608

Please don't add links to videos. That's frowned upon on talk pages. And remember to SIGN your posts too. Doc Strange 12:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modest Mouse documentary

There is no evidence that this film is knowingly infringing copyright, and reason to suspect that it is not. It was uploaded to both You Tube and Google video, and linked by a legitimate documentary film site: [3]. The You Tube uploader credited the director both in the description and at the end of the film. Uploader also stated that the film will never be released (it's not commercial length for a doc, in either tv--50-60 min--or theatrical release--70 min plus). Nor is it a commerical film--it's superindie. The director died young of cancer (b. 1976-d. 2002). It looks like his friends or his family released the film after his death. It's been up, all over the internet, for a while now. In the absence of a complaint from 1) an inheritor of the copyright 2) Modest Mouse, stating that any music wasn't licensed, there's no reason this link shouldn't stay.-Cindery 19:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I've replaced the YT link with a better one. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 20:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Alternative Rock? Uh... I think not.

[edit] Picture/members

Why do the names listed in the picture caption not match the ones listed in the members sections of the infobox? - Zepheus <ゼィフィアス> 21:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More members?

On their myspace there's six people in the band photo, there's only four listed in the core members section. I'm not a huge fan, so those of you who might know who those other two are can update the page. Thedeadreligionfx 03:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I just looked and the picture needs to be updated, and the core members needs to be updated. The picture in the corner has everyone except now it's Johnny Marr instead of Dann Gallucci, and I think Joe Plummer should be considered a core member if he's in the band photo, but I'll wait to edit it until someone replies.Thedeadreligionfx 03:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Just because those other members are in a promo photo doesn't mean they are main members. Modest Mouse has tons of friends/associates who help with extra instrumentation and vocals on their albums and sometimes help tour with them. These people can be considered "other members", because they are not regualr, long lasting, song-writing, etc. members of the band. Isaac Brock did say that Marr is a "full-blown member of the band" so it would probably be safe to say hes a core member. It's not "Marr instead of Dann Gallucci." Marr is not "replacing Dann. And Dann was not even a regular member anyways. He helped with some extra guitars, keyboards, etc. Either way, if you know Modest Mouse, you should probably know this. Arnesh 09:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

*One vote to edit the picture... anyone else? --Travisthurston 07:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean when you say "edit the picture"? Arnesh 23:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lo-Fi...?

Someone recently added lo-fi to their genre. I don't think this really constitutes there genre. Yeah, I guess they have the crappy sounding recordings on albums like Sad Sappy Sucker, but that is because those were actually random, crappy, early recordings. I think we can all agree that they have not had a "lo-fi" sound since their very early recordings, when they were much more punky/garage bandish. The band has of coure evolved as well from their punk/garage roots.In their early years they could probably be classified as punk rock or alternative punk or something like that. Obviously, singles like Float On and Dashboard are not at all "lo-fi". I'm going to remove lo-fi from their genre, because, at least currently, they are not lo-fi, but if someone thinks different, give a reason why you think they can be considered lo-fi on this talk page. Arnesh 23:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't lo-fi also count as not using pro tools and editing a record in post. Up until Moon & Antarctica, they didn't do hardly a thing other than double track Isaac's voice. --Rubiksphere 08:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Peloso is not a core member.

Tom Peloso has only worked with the band with extra instrumentation on Good News. He is not one of the main members. The truly "core" members are Brock, Green, and Judy. They founded the band and came from the ground up. I guess Marr could be considered a core member, because he helped with songwriting on We Were Dead. If doing some extra instrumentation on one album makes you a core meber, you might as well add ALL of those "other members" to the core mebers section and say that Modest Mouse's core is comprised of 13 people. The definition of core meber is pretty much someone the band could not be without. (Even though Jeremiah Green left the band due to a mental breakdown during recording of Good News, but he is still core member) Peloso is just another one of Modest Mouse's "associates". Also, I'm once again removing lo-fi from their genre...See my above post about that. Arnesh 09:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• I guess he is... Modest Mouse's myspace page says he and joe plummer are main members so whatever. Arnesh 00:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• The credits for the new album say "Modest Mouse is Isaac Brock, Jeremiah Green, Eric Judy, Johnny Marr, Tom Peloso & Joe Plummer." So they're officially a six-piece now.

I have just written a review for the latest album and it came with a press release from the record label which claims that Modest Mouse in fact have 6 members, the six that wikipedia currently lists. So it should stay. Robmac.

[edit] Interesting

I feel the line, "In 2003, drummer Jeremiah Green quit the band due to a mental breakdown; the official word was that he was quitting to work with his side project, Vells," should cite its source. Fuch 17:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emo?

Actually, they're not at all, so..I don't know why that genre was put there. I removed it. Oreo

Here's the thing with MM and emo. All Music Guide calls them emo. From what i remember, they list the band with second gen emo bands like At the Drive-In (which also are not emo by the definition created by the third and fourth gen emo bands), but they've also grown out of the genre well before Good News Doc Strange (talk) 17:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

modest mouse is most def. not emo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.134.24 (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

i never thought people could get so hung up on the genre of the band - what does it matter? everyones going to be able to cite a hundred bands commonly called 'indie' and therefore claim MM are therefore this, or another hundred bands that sound loosely similar that go under the heading 'emo' - just stick with facts like how many band members, instruments, and the bands own opinion of the kind of music they create —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.193.185 (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pickin' On

I just made the Pickin' On Modest Mouse album, a bluegrass tribute. Should revisions be made to the discography to include a tribute album? It should be linked in somehow. The article regarding the Metallica Discography includes their tribute albums. And if anyone has anything to contribute to the above stated article, it would be greatly appreaciated FerventDove 18:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Isaac Brock Self-Mutilation and Album Leak

Two entries were removed on the grounds of unencyclopedic, but I added them again for these reasons: The Sioux Falls event was well documented (the Pitchfork article being the only one which can be sourced here, but two videos of a bloodied Brock, and blog entries, again, can not be sourced here). The bit about the album leak should stay, if for nothing else, to give context to MGM v. Grokster case. It's not sourced, per se, but it's been on the We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank article since it happened. If some can definitively say this is libelous (regarding Sioux Falls) or any other stated reason, edits should be made accordingly, and to the Isaac Brock entry (which contains same content) or the We Were Dead... article. FerventDove 19:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I removed the entries. If it's not sourced it is not sourced, there isn't much per se to be had there. As to his injury and the Pitchfork article (which I saw at the time), I still fail to see what these edits have to do with Modest Mouse as an encyclopedic entry. News events don't warrant entries, IMO. Teke 04:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sun Kil Moon's Tiny Cities

I think Sun Kil Moon's Tiny_Cities deserves to be somehow mentioned in the Modest Mouse article. It's not actual MM discography but is notable and surely of interest to readers. I'm not sure how this information could be integrated into the article properly but it seems worth exploring. Johntroy 13:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modest Mouse is MODEST MOUSE not "just" Isaac Brock

I have a problem of the following quote in the 2nd paragraph, in regards to either its NPOV or its verifiablility. "Ultimately, Modest Mouse is singularly Isaac Brock who is the main creative force behind the band's unique sound and style."

In keeping with an opinionated point of view, I find that Modest Mouse is a result of not one member creating its sound, but all of its members (at any time period) being so in tune with each other that changes in the line up results in dramatic changes in the sound. If it was only Brock creating the sound then member changes would have no effect on the overall "sound" of the music.

Also I'd like to point out that on the new album, (buy it and read the credits), it is written: "Lyrics by Isaac Brock", followed on the next two lines by the copyrights and their attributes. Then on a single, separated line: "Modest Mouse is Isaac Brock, Jeremiah Green, Eric Judy, Johnny Marr, Tom Peloso, Joe Plummer"

Brock is credited specifically for the lyrics, not the music itself.

Based on this and other various impressions, I find it hardly possible that any one member, including Isaac Brock himself, would claim that "Modest Mouse is singularly Isaac Brock" or that [He] "is the main creative force behind the band's unique sound and style"

Not only is this statement, in my book, a biased opinion, but a uneducated one as well, unless the statement can be supported with quotes coming from the band stating it to actually be the case.

The statement WOULD apply if it were made in such a case as Josh Homme of "Queens of the Stone Age". Which leads me to point out a quote from the Wikipedia article of Josh Homme, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Homme), and how such a statement is an example of how I think it could be worded better, in a factual manner:

"Homme is the founder and only continuous member of rock band Queens of the Stone Age (QOTSA), for which he sings and plays guitar."

Replace "Modest Mouse" with "Queens of the Stone Age" and "Issac Brock" with "Josh Homme" with in the statement I am disputing, and then move the entire statement over to Hommes' article and I would no longer have anything to dispute. The sentence would look like this: "Ultimately, Queens of the Stone Age is singularly Josh Homme who is the main creative force behind the band's unique sound and style."

The rest of Modest Mouse deserves credit too...

Stormlilly 08:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Stormlilly

I agree, I think it is further proof of the "band" by adding Johnny Marr and the influence that Ugly Casanova collaborative session had. I removed the paragraph. You could have! Teke 05:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

So from what your saying up there, Nirvana was just Kurt Cobain because he wrote all the music, and from 1972-1983, Pink Floyd was just Roger Waters. That's some crazy thinking Doc Strange 12:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

i agree the credit should b spread but isaac is the brains behind the band —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.134.24 (talk) 22:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dashboard

Who keeps adding "Dashboard" as a Top 40 Hit in the US? According to the Billboard Hot 100 (as of 4/4/07) the single is at #59. Not #20 as claimed in this article. I replaced it with the accurate chart peak. If the person who is doing this is using an alternate chart (say Radio & Records), they should know that US chart peaks are for the Billboard Hot 100 only and not the Billboard Hot Airplay, Pop 100 or other alternate chart. Also Modern Rock chart peaks should be included written as "#1 US Modern Rock" (like "Float On"), not simly #1 US. Doc Strange 12:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Wickhart

I'm confused whether Eric Judy was in the band since the beginning or not. Their early history is very hazy. In this interview Eric is said to be in the band since it's beginnings, but Sad Sappy Sucker credits John Wickhart, and Calvin Johnson (who produced Sad Sappy Sucker and Lonesome Crowded West) says in the Untitled Documentary that (out of memory I'm saying this, correct me if I'm wrong) that it's his third session with Modest Mouse, and first one with Eric (and second one with Jeremiah). But recent articles insist Eric was in the band before Jeremiah even was. Just wondering--liam 23:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] We need to put something about the live shows.

About how Issac Brock has been known to lie down for entire shows and has cut himself numerous times on stage during a concert.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.243.119.105 (talk) 05:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

This is covered at his page, I don't really think we need a seperate section here about it... AllynJ 10:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Someone straighten this out

Why are "3rd Planet" and "Gravity Rides Everything" named as singles from The Moon and Antarctica in the text, but the infobox for singles doesn't include them or anything from that album? 172.171.115.147 06:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

u can buy the one song hence single —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.134.24 (talk) 22:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Indie Rock?

There's no way they can be indie rock, as they are signed to a major label - ZEROpumpkins (talk) 23:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Currently, they are more of an alternative noise rock band, but their previous material is all considered indie rock. —Vanishdoom (talk) 04:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)