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Milla claims her origins are Montenegrin. You persistantly ignore arguments I gave above and you keep ignoring her official website and

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[edit] Ethnicity in header

I'm not getting into this discussion, but please do not restore mentions of her ethnic background into the header (first paragraph) of the article, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies). We could remove "Ukrainian-born", too, but since it was sort of her nationality (nationality goes in header), I'm not sure. Mad Jack 03:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Imdb change their info rapidly and are very inconsistent with providing the right information about the stars. Therefore don't always believe that site. They also once claimed that Goran Visnjic had a wife before Ivana Vrdoljak and a son with her. Also, I agree with the aforementioned statement that Serbians tend to claim famous Montenegrins as Serbs. Also Sava Kovacevic, the WW2 hero. When I first saw the article on him here, it said that he was a Montenegrin Serb.

[edit] Discourse on the place of Jovovich's birth

All of you are wrong. She was born in Kiev, Kievan Rus'!!!


Well, I abstained from writing this in article, thereby violating Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, but that would be funny, I think ^__^

To all of you who do not get it: to state that Jovovich was born in Ukraine is no more valid than to claim that Julius Caesar was born in Rome, Italy. --Alexander Iwaschkin 09:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not sure about her fluent Russian.

About 5 or 6 years ago she took part in a Russian talk show "Женский взгляд Оксаны Пушкиной"(Woman's look by Oxana Pushkina) along with her mother. Her mother spoke only Russian. When Milla tried to reply in Russian she realized that her knowledge of it was really bad and continued in English. Then both of them sad that she has simply forgotten it.

June 27, 2007.

[edit] Not sure about her fluent Serbian.

The article given as a reference explicitly states that she never learnt Serbian well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.3.88.231 (talk) 22:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Montenegrin heritage

I'm sure this topic is dead and gone (and I don't know too much into the history, nor do I really want to get involved with the debate) I just wanted to put forward a few sources about the subject for other editors to possibly reference.

  • "Amongst my Montenegrin heritage, there isn't one man who hasn't been in prison. They always rebel, always against authority." [1]
  • Her stamina, she reckons she got from her father's "Montenegrian Northern blood".[2]

-Lindsey8417 (talk) 12:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems it was "dead and gone" only because vandals were more persistent than reasonable people. Lindsey, thank you for those citations from millaj.com. Milla's official site, London Times and Vogue were referenced before, as they all claim Milla is of Montenegrin heritage. Milla herself talks about it from time to time. On the other hand, I couldn't find one piece of credible verification that she is serbian instead, even if we put aside that most of "Serbs" in Montenegro gained that identity only recently (since the 2003 census, compared to previous 1991 and especially 1981 etc.). All we are offered here are two obscure articles from a serbian tabloid of shaky reputation (and that's speaking kindly), written in serbian, although this is english wikipedia. One is titled "Milla sings interesting songs" ("Mila peva zanimljive pesme"), while the other claims that "Hollywood is a Serbian village" ("Holivud je srpsko selo"). I find that utterly unacceptable by any standard, especially encyclopedia standards. I shall edit the article (again), but I do believe we should put an end to all this political hijacking of montenegrin identity by the overwhelming majority of serbian editors. There is hardly an article concerning that small country that isn't vandalized in one way or the other in order to present MNE as a historic part of Serbia and its people as Serbs, thus serving an agressive expansionist political or military agenda. It is one of the true defeats of Wikipedia. It may seems ludicrous that something as trivial and ultimately insignificant as data on origins of a movie actress is used in this way, but it's true. How sad.

Perjanik (talk) 03:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


I was wandering why the information on her Serbian-Montenegrin origin has been deleted... Her father is Montenegrin Serb (no mistake here: both Serb and Montenegrin) from the Vasojevici clan in northern Montenegro...217.153.207.29 (talk) 10:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Jovovic half Ukrainian (her mother), half Serb (her father), not Montenegrin. Her father a Serb from Montenegro. I will change this. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

What complete rubbish. The girl SAYS she's Montenegrin, look at those a links above. And one could question if there is such a thing as "Serbs from Montenegro" at all, considering immigration from Serbia to Montenegro never took place and this is now only a political identification, an ideological protest, not an ethnic identity. In most cases, people in the same family differ in that respect, but this is a new situation that came to be with the 2003 census and the frenzy concerning the declaration of independence of Montenegro. There were only 3% of Serbs in Montenegro in 1981, and 7% in 1991...ie. before and during the period Milla's father and his kin lived there. Be that as it may, Wikipedia is about VERIFICATION and claiming her origins as Serbian and supporting it with a dubious text from a trash-tabloid titled "Hollywood is a serbian village" and "Milla sings interesting songs" (both, btw, in serbian instead of english) is POV and intellectualy dishonest. Her origins should be changed to "montenegrin-ukrainian" and serbian language in the opening passage changed to montenegrin. Grounds for this: Milla's OFFICIAL WEBSITE, London Times and Vogue (all in english) surely provide superior reliabilty and verifiability for english Wikipedia than those "Hollywood is a serbian village" and "Milla sings interesting songs" articles (both in serbian). So, to place all those relevant links in one place (both from the archived talkpage and the ones Lindsey was kind enoguh to mention above):

"[3] Please note what this article says:"Jovovich was born in 1975, in Kiev, Ukraine, the only child of a Russian performer, Galina Loginova ("she was an amazing actress"), and a Montenegrin father, Bogich Jovovich. ("They're men's men in Montenegro, very macho, especially up north where my Dad and all his brothers and cousins are from.")". Also, from here: [4]: "I mean, I'm a strong, big girl. My dad's from Yugoslavia, from Montenegro. I have big bones, big shoulders." So, Milla says her father is Montenegrin, but I guess you know better..." . London Times: [5]. Scroll all the way down, where it briefly says: "Milla Jovovich, the star of Resident Evil and Zoolander is Montenegrin in origin, although she was born in Kiev".

  • "Amongst my Montenegrin heritage, there isn't one man who hasn't been in prison. They always rebel, always against authority." [6]
  • Her stamina, she reckons she got from her father's "Montenegrian Northern blood".[7]

So, Milla herself (millaj.com is her official website), as well as Vogue (Australian edition) and the famous London Times (directly says she is "Montenegrin in origin"), one of the world's leading newspaper, are all supposed to be ignorant of her bacground. Somehow, I don't buy that. The only reason one would prefer those, rather bizarre, articles from the serbian press is actually very malintent and seen all over Wikipedia: to hijack any person from Montenegro, as long as he/she is well-known, as a part of a trollish project to represent Montenegro as rightfully a part of Greater Serbia and Montenegrins as Serbs. If we would do this with Milla, we would have to do the same with every single person from Montenegro mentioned in wikipedia, which is exactly the intention here. The fact this article was made a part of Wikiproject Serbia, considering it is undisputed she has nothing to do with Serbia proper, never been there and her origins aren't from that country...that fact speaks volumes. Wikipeda should not support such nationalist aspirations. Wikipedia is not an outlet for ethnic frustrations. There are plenty of nationalist internet forums out there where such steam can be let out. Wikipedia is about providing verifiable information. Let's keep it that way. --Perjanik (talk) 04:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


Millas father says that he is Serbian. How can Milla be of Montenegrin extraction if her mother is Russian/Ukranian and her father is Serbian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.111.203.16 (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

a) He DOES NOT say that and one cannot find credible sources that would confirm it b) SHE does say she's Montenegrin and I think it's safe to say she knows who she is c) Serbian/Montenegrin distinction in Montenegro is not ethnic, but political (see 1981 and 1991 census in comparison to 2003). So the way a person declares him/herself is of pivotal importance. It is not a rare thing in MNE that a father considers himself to be Montenegrin, while the son/daughter declares him/herself to be Serbian or vice versa. Basically, they are all Montenegrins, since the "serbian" part of the population does not originate from Serbia proper. Also, if you are Serbian, bare in mind the difference in meaning between english word "nationality" and montenegrin/croatian/bosnian/serbian "nacionalnost" - they mean two different things d)Wikipedia is about VERIFICATION (please read WP:V). It is not about what you may or may not think to be true (please read WP:POV). Do NOT delete footnotes and verified information, that is not acceptable. If you can find the info of equal credibility, in english, such that it may confirm your point of view, present it and noone will delete it. Otherwise, do not vandalize the article by erasing somone else's work, it is not a proper way of conduct. SHE says she's Montenegrin, credible sources such as those mentioned above (Times, Vogue, her official website MillaJ.com) say the same e) Anon, please make yourself more familiar with Wikipedia policy. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perjanik (talk • contribs) 09:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

a) In referenced interview for Glas Javnosti, Milla's father clearly says that American aggression on me started a decade earlier than on other Serbs (Američka agresija na mene počela je deceniju ranije nego n ostale Srbe).[8].
b) Of course she is Montenegrin. Montenegrin Serb, to be exact.
c) We don't say that Milla is Serbian, only that her father is. By the way, you have just verified that when someone says that he or she is Montenegrin, it doesn't mean that he or she is not Serbian. Nikola (talk) 20:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
a) You are (I hope not deliberately?) misquoting and misinterpreting the article, which, if that is the case is an example of intellectual dishonesty. Also, "Glas Javnosti" hardly provides the same credibility as sources offered to the contrary. It is also in Serbian and one should always try to offer references in english when editing english Wikipedia. You are also misunderstanding the meaning and erasing credible sources, such as Milla's own website;
b) She is Montenegrin, period, and that's the only verifiable information one can find. I was unable to produce any evidence of her being Serbian or having anything to do with Serbia at all. Surely nothing of nearly equal credibility to the sources mentioned in footnotes you keep deleting (MillaJ.com, London Times, Vogue Australia, Vogue Russia etc.). As I said above, if you can find the info of equal credibility, in english, such that it may confirm your point of view, present it and noone will delete it. Otherwise, do not vandalize the article by erasing somone else's work, it is not a proper way of conduct.;
c) Yes, you are saying that and this is one of the reasons you guys made this article a part of WikiProject Serbia, although she obviously has nothing to do with Serbia at all - does not originate from Serbia, never lived there, never even been there. Personally, I regard this practice of hijacking notable Montenegrins by some serbian contributors to Wikipedia to be repugnant. On their list is everyone from historic personalities and authors to celebrities, such as Milla. Milla is not the only one. I may presume good faith, but considering the pattern and modus operandi, one can not escape the feeling it is a part of a wider agenda of politicizing Wikipedia in order to serve an agressive nationalist cause. Furthermore, no, she is not "Montenegrin Serb", but Montenegrin, period, judging from her own official website and articles in the credible press (in english). How could her father be a Serb from Montenegro when they were hardly any people identifying themselves as Serbs in MNE when he lived there? The chances for that are pretty slim.
NOTA BENE: I did no such thing, you missunderstood completely. I verified the very opposite: that the distinction is now political, while Milla's father left MNE before any such schizm took place. Most people who have declared themselves to be Serbs in 2003 were declaring themselves as Montenegrins in the 1991 census and esepcially the 1981 census, which is closer to his departure. So, I'm saying the opposite: that if a person in MNE considers him/herself to be Serbian, it doesn't mean he/she is not really Montenegrin, but vice versa does NOT apply. It's an implication, not an equivalence.

Again, please do not vandalize the article and read Wikipedia policy on vandalism. Do not erase credible sources and footnotes, which took many other people (not just me) time and efforth to produce, it is deeply wrong, not in accordance with Wikipedia policy and downright indecent. Please read and try to understand Wikipedia policy, especially WP:POV and WP:V. Do not proceed with edit war and do not erase nor appropriate verified information and referneces. I say appropriate because at first you (I presume it was you), edited as an unreg by simply changing the word "Montenegrin" to "Serbian" and leaving those references that point to the very opposite, hoping noone will bother to check them out. Please do not do that, thank you. --Perjanik (talk) 23:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC) P.S.: And another thing: The style of your writing points that you are editing Wikipedia as both a registered user and an anon. Please do not do that, it's wrong. Thank you. All the best to you.

a) I agree with you that Milla Jovovich's official website should be relevant the most. What's the problem, then?
b) Huh? No period. You just contradicted yourself to a. Maybe her personal identification of herself as half-Serbian and her weak knowledge of the Serbian language?
c) No period here either. Judging from her own website and relevant articles, she's not Montenegrin Serb, or even Montenegrin. She's Serbian. Lol, it's not the Serbs' fault that most descend from Montenegro. :D And obviously is "connected to Serbia". Where do you think is Metohija? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 16:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

a)Thank you for the link you provided, that was very interesting. However, I shall beg to disagree with you. The page in question, although on MIlla's official website is full of inaccuraces and yes, contradictions. It also claims her father's name is "Bogdanovitch Jovovich", while it is "Bogich Jovovic". As you surely know, nobody's first name is "Bogdanovitch". Bogić is a (very montenegrin) name, while Bogdanovitch (Bogdanović) is a fairly common surname. Surely, you know that full well. Who ever wrote the article, whether he had Milla's approval or not was hardly precise or knowledgeable, so I would take that bio article with a grain of salt. The problem is this: the VERY SAME website also claims the opposite, as you may see from the references many other contributors provided and you deleted. When we listen to what Milla says herself, in interviews and articles presented on that very same millaj.com, she clearly says her paternal background is Montenegrin. I would ALWAYS be inclined to present the information the person in question is giving about her own origins and heritage, especially if what she's saying was cited on her official website, as here is the case. I'm also glad you've agreed her official website provides the most relevant information, much more than the "Hollywood is a Serbian village" and similar bizarre articles offered before. If you didn't read those citations above, nor checked the references you took the liberty to erase (sic!), I shall repeat them again (and I apologize to others for it):

Please note what this article says:"Jovovich was born in 1975, in Kiev, Ukraine, the only child of a Russian performer, Galina Loginova ("she was an amazing actress"), and a Montenegrin father, Bogich Jovovich. ("They're men's men in Montenegro, very macho, especially up north where my Dad and all his brothers and cousins are from.")".

  • Also, from here: [10]: "I mean, I'm a strong, big girl. My dad's from Yugoslavia, from Montenegro. I have big bones, big shoulders."
  • London Times: [11]. Scroll all the way down, where it briefly says: "Milla Jovovich, the star of Resident Evil and Zoolander is Montenegrin in origin, although she was born in Kiev".
  • "Amongst my Montenegrin heritage, there isn't one man who hasn't been in prison. They always rebel, always against authority." [12]
  • Her stamina, she reckons she got from her father's "Montenegrian Northern blood".[13]

All of this, and you're still saying, and I quote: "Judging from her own website and relevant articles, she's not Montenegrin Serb, or even Montenegrin.". If that is the case, I shall have to, respectfuly, take your judgment cum granum sali as well. The girl is saying, and quite eloquently, that her paternal origins are Montenegrin and this is quite impossible to reasonably argue against.

  • b) I do fail to see the contradiction in what I've said. Where is that personal identification, other than she saying "my Montenegrin heritage", "my father's montenegrin northern blood" etc.? As for the language, many (indeed most) Montenegrins called their language "Serbian" until recently, but that is no longer the case. So small wonder she did too. As for the deductive reasoning I hope you also endorse: I happen to speak norwegian amoung other languages, but that hardly makes me a Norwegian.
  • c) Ay, there's the rub, lol: here's the contradiction and it's all on your side. You say "Judging from her own website and relevant articles, she's not Montenegrin Serb, or even Montenegrin. She's Serbian.". If you've just read a), I think I can safely say I rest my case. I'm not aware most Serbs descended from anywhere else but Serbia, except if we go all the way to the era of great migrations in the first millennium AD. Even the Serbs in Republika Srpska (Bosnia), refer to Serbia proper as "matica", ie. their place of origin. I'm not a Serb, but if I was, I would find the idea of originating from anywhere else to be pretty offensive. Serbs are indigenous to Serbia, an autochthonous people in that part of the Balkans. And as for Metohija: their family does not originate from Metohija, nor does this article claim anything of the sort. They had an estate there, as many other Montenegrins had. Look above - she says "They're men's men in Montenegro, very macho, especially up north where my Dad and all his brothers and cousins are from.", while you're saying the opposite. I guess you know better where her father's from than she does? Metohija was a part of Kingdom of Montenegro (please see the map - [[14]], you will find Metohija and the town of Peć in the east), the town of Peć included and many Montenegrin families used to live there or have their estates in that part of the country. Where is it now, you ask? The last time I've checked, sadly, it was in Kosovo. I'm not happier than you are about the fact, but there it is. Are you saying she's really a kosovar? In that case, do consult WP:POV. In any case, her family had an estate in what (used to be?) Serbia and that's the reason enough for this article to be a part of Wikiproject Serbia? I don't think so.
  • d) How many different Wikipedia profiles are you using, exactly? Just out of curiosity. Best of luck, --Perjanik (talk) 21:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

"Serbian" has no greater connection to "of Serbia". Should we say that Nikola Tesla or Milutin Milankovic were not Serbs?

The website doesn't contradict and doesn't claim the opposite. Are you saying one can't be both Serbian and Montenegrin at the same time?

You are know acting a bit dishonest, you were pushing greatly her official website all the time over the months as the prime source - and now that you see that she is of Serbian descent, you attempt to dispute it. For one thing, "Bogdanovich Jovanovich" gives far more google search results than Bogdan Jovanovic.

You are being somewhat over-paranoid. Perhaps Milla Jovovich is one of the masterminds of the Greater Serbian project, considering the Montenegrins not a separate ethnicity from the Serbs? Lol, man.

That is not true. The Bosnian Serbs view BH as their mother state. The Montenegrin Serbs view Montenegro as their mother state. Most, if not the vast majority of Serbs, do not originate from Serbia - and the idea of considering it offensive (sic!) makes absolutely no sense. Could you be kind to elaborate?

d) Just this sole one. Why do you ask? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

P.S. And if you knew something about Milla, you would've known that her father is Bogdan Bogdanovitch Jovovic, but you obviously didn't check through this very article... --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I also forgot - she is fluent in her native Serbian, next to French, English and Russian. Please do not change that to Montenegrin. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it does, lol, and I shall ascribe that to obviously insufficient knowledge of the english language. / Of course not, they were ethnic Serbs, with one distinction. Tesla was from Austria-Hungary, Milankovic from Serbia proper. Be that as it may, Milla says her origins are Montenegrin, it is what she clearly states in the interviews referenced. You keep ignoring that and deleting references to her official website. You keep refusing to discuss those proofs and you keep reverting the article in spite of them, or perhaps out of spite? Now, THAT's a bit dishonest and is undoubtedly a breach of Wikipedia policies. I STILL AM pushing her official website, but you keep deleting verified information and replacing them with POV. You cannot dispute verified information just by saying the opposite, please understand that. As for the webpage you're mentioning, if it managed to get her father's NAME wrong, I would trust the rest to be mostly wrong as well. However, we have PERSONAL confirmation by Milla, who clearly talks about her father's "montenegrin blood", "montenegrin origin", "montenegrin heritage" (see above, check references to her official website). But you're trying to shut her up? Why? I think I've made a pretty good guess. She says, on her official website, she's Montenegrin. This is again supported by London Times and Vogue, although that may be redundant. If she says so - that's good enough for me. / I'm not being paranoid, nor am I saying anything as bizarre as that. I am saying there are frustrated sociopaths out there who attempt to push their far right wing, chauvinist agenda by deleting verified information and editing numerous articles about Montenegro in order to present Montenegrins as Serbs, and Montenegro as rightfully a part of Serbia. So we see every notable personality hijacked, even pages on MNE itself filled with political propaganda and disreputable sources in order to further that agenda. That's my problem, and if you are trying to be an impartial editor, it should be yours too. ALL Bosnian Serbs consider Serbia proper to be their "Matica" (mother-state). This is not my POV, it's out there in black and white. That description of Serbia is abundant in the political and academic language in Republika Srpska. At one point, their government even made an attempt to change the local dialect to ekavian by decree. All Serbs outside of Serbia are considered to be a part of diaspora, and that is not surprising nor odd - it's completely normal and I agree with them. Bosnian Serbs do not even consider Bosnia (B-H) to be their country, they always look to Serbia as such. As for d), I ask because both your interests and your style are mirrored exactly by at least two other Wikipedia profiles. Style of writing, how ever poor, is unmistakable as a fingerprint. P.S.: Please do not attempt to discuss this matter on my personal page, let's keep it all in one place, thank you P.P.S.: Please stop deleting data verified by her official website as well as references to it, thank you

Regards, --Perjanik (talk) 17:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Her OFFICIAL WEBSITE claims that her father is Serbian. End of discussion. Yes, he originates from Montenegro, but he is a Serb, and declares himself as a Serb. The one thing we must take into account is the obviously low level of Millas knowledge about her fathers origin. She was never in Serbia, doesnt know anything about it etc. That is the reason why we should trust Millas father more than Milla because he best knows what he is: http://arhiva.glas-javnosti.co.yu/arhiva/2000/07/18/srpski/F00071702.shtm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.111.197.45 (talk) 00:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You are not correct Milutin Milankovic was born in Habsburg Slavonia, in Dalj, and by the way, the Tesla family is of distant Montenegrin origins.
I do not. Neither do I ignore the statement from her official website that her father is Serbian.
You are most definitely wrong, even the Croatian Serbs view Croatia as their mother state, please stop claiming how Bosnian Serbs' mother state is Serbia, since that doesn't even make sense or relevance - we're talking about Montenegrins.
Bosnian Croats aren't diaspora, for example. They can freely vote in Croatian elections.
All in all, answer me one simple question - why don't you do the very same edit for Nikola Tesla, Vuk Stefanović Karadžić, Slobodan Milošević, Radovan Karadžić, Đorđe Petrović, Aleksandar Karađorđević, Miloš Obrenović, Željko Ražnatović, Stefan Nemanja, Petar Lubarda, Ruđer Josip Bošković, Nikola Bošković, Stefan Štiljanović, Nikola Kavaja, Boris Tadić, Slobodan Samardžić, Jovica Stanišić, Milovan Đilas, Dragan Đilas, Ana Pešikan, Novak Đoković, Ana Ivanović, Jelena Janković, Dragan Jočić, Veselin Šljivančanin, Saint Sava, Arsenije III Čarnojević or Melissa Bean? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 12:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

This is getting really ridiculous. You claim there is a "low level of Millas knowledge about her fathers origin" Sic!!! I really don't think one should even argue with that one. Although, I agree that, as you say, "She was never in Serbia, doesnt know anything about it etc.". That is absolutely true. Why should she? Milankovic spent most of his life in Belgrade, although one must point out his contribution is highly over-rated. A lateral scientist, at best. There are people who claim Tesla is of distant MNE origin, from a village called Vilusi in the municipality of Niksic. Tesla certainly had a "dinaric" appearance, but whether this is true or not is almost impossible to confirm.

Yes, you are. You keep ignoring the arguments given above, statements made by Milla herself and you keep deleting references to her official website. IMHO, that is tantamaunt to vandalism, so beware. This is really not a proper behaviour and is a bit pesky, one must admit.
I am absolutely not wrong and you fail to understand the meaning of diaspora. Of course they can vote in Croatian elections, they are Croatian citizens, but they consider Serbia to be their mother-contry and speak of it as such. And it is relevant, as Montenegrin Serbs are naturally not ethnic Serbs, but a group of Montenegrins recently indoctrinated by the Milosevic regime - see census results for 1981 (3% of Serbs), 1991 (7%) and 2003 (a sudden 31.9%). Some of them started to regard Serbia as their mother-country, although this is historically inaccurate and their ancestors fought for the freedom of Montenegro, but it is their right - if one is prepared to trump down one's origins and ancestors, I'm not going to be the one to stop him. As most families are split to the middle about this issue, it remains a political identification, not an ethnic one. Therefore, even if Milla's father considers himself to be a Serb (which SHE SAYS is not the case and he remains mute), it would still be irrelevant to this article. It is about Milla, not her father.
Some of the people mentioned are of Montenegrin origin, some are certainly not. If you read the discussion above, you'll see I'm saying there is an intellectualy dishonest attempt by some (i would say rather sociopathic) editors of Wikipedia to use it as an outlet for national frustrations and try to represent ALL Montenegrins are Serbs and Montengro a rightful part of Serbia. I am also saying that if we would allow this to happen to one article, we would have to do this with all articles on notable Montenegrins, which is certianly the very idea these rather pathetic people have. This is also the reason why I'm not prepared to let this one go, nor am I prepared to let people misuse Wikipedia and turn it into a platform for nationalist propaganda. Why am I still not editing articles on other Montenegrins? All in good time. Some of us have lives, you know.
Regards, --Perjanik (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
And does her website say that she is half-Serbian. Yes, it does. ]
Maybe he remains mute because Montenegrin and Serb is he both?
There are plenty Montenegrins who declared - or even declare still today themselves a such, and do not consider themselves non-Serbs. An example is Vuk Bojovic. There was also the main man responsible for recognition of the Montenegrin nation in 1945, Milovan Djilas, who considered that Montenegrins were simply the second Serb nation. Serb does not mean "non-Montenegrin", just as Montenegrin does not mean "non-Serb". Does Austrian mean necessarily "non-German"?
The census results are totally unrelated to Milla, who has less to do with Montenegro than with Serbia even. In 1909 95% were Serbs, so what?
And again, you continually emphasize her official website, over and over again - remaining mute at the fact that it claims she is half-Serbian. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No, her website says she's Montenegrin, as it directly cites her saying so repeatedly, please look at the references to her official website you keep deleting and I repeated several times already above. You say "Maybe he remains mute because Montenegrin and Serb is he both?". Apart of being an example of really bad grammar, this sentence makes no sense, especially in the context of everything said previously. Why do you insist on editing this, ENGLISH version of Wikipedia considering your limited command of the language? I don' t mean this in an offensive way, not all of us must be fluent in english, but in order to edit an encyclopedia, even if it is Wikipedia, one should be.

Yes, since recently some Montenegrins have self-declared themselves as Serbs. But these political events took place AFTER Milla's father left the country and even after her film career reached its world-wide level. Vuk BOjovic? The head of the Belgrade Zoo? LOL. You have just made a claim that Montenegrin nation, one of the oldest in the Balkans, was recognized in 1945, a dead give-away of Serbian nationalist sentiment. Just b/c it was supressed in the period of the bloody Karadjordjevic dictatorship doesn't mean it didn't exist. If "Montenegrin doesn't mean non-Serb", than why are you deleting the credible info she's Montenegrin, information that comes from Milla directly? Semantics have changed and you people fail to see that. Serbian means from Serbia, Montenegrin - from Montenegro. By the way, it is the implication in the english language as well. Saying Vuk Bojovic, to use your rather shaky example, is Montenegrin zoologist is the same as saying Einstein was an Izraely scientist just because of his jewish ethnicity. No, he was a swiss-american physicist of jewish descent.
If you've bothered to read my points above, you'd understand it does relate to Milla. And the data you mentioned about the 1909 census is a falsehood - "Serbian" was used as a designation for orthodox-chrisitian chrisitanity ("srpska vjera").
Again, I will continue to emphasize her official website, over and over again, which clearly says, in her own words, cited ad nauseam by now in the discussion above and the references you keep erasing, that she is Montenegrin-Ukrainian. NOW: The fact you keep delelting these references, and in spite of explanations given above by me and others, IMHO, constitutes an act of VANDALISM, please see Wikipedia policy on that. Stop this destructive behaviour and stop destroying other people's work and ccredible references to her official website. Thank you. I think I have showed the patience of a saint here - personally I believe this article should be protected as you seem to act in a trollish way - this applies to most articles you took the liberty to edit. Stop doing that, read Wikipedia policy and try to act impartially or do not act at all. Your edits will be undone.

--Perjanik (talk) 03:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I was not referring to the period since recently, but far far before in history, far even before Milla's father was born.
What makes the Montenegrins "one of the oldest nations in the Balkans"? All nations were created practically in the same time. Yes, Vuk Bojovic, just like thousands and thousands of Montenegrins, including in Montenegro itself too. Just like the Serbs in Montenegro, who also do not consider themselves non-Montenegrins. Please refer to the Montenegrin Statistical Office, according to which a huge portion of Montenegrin citizens identified themselves as Serbs and Montenegrins at the same time, or the reports of the Montenegrin government to Brussels. This duet is very similar to the Bosniac-Muslim one.
You are incorrect. There were more Serbian-identified people, and the census contained "Eastern Orthodox" in precise and no "Serbian faith". The supposed definition given is that next to all Orthodoxes, some of the Muslims, or in precise 1,971 - belonging to clans - identified themselves as Serbs.
And again, so shall I, point out that her official websites says she's Serbian-Ukrainian. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 00:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyrighted images

Pd THOR recently added a {{non-free}} to the Career section of the article, and I have removed it. There are only three images used in the section and I would hardly three images as an "excessive" amount:

Each image is there for a visual to its respective subject - Milla's films The Fifth Element and Resident Evil, and her album The Divine Comedy. All have the correct copyright information as well. Also, the images fit within WP:NFCC policy. In respect to WP:NFC, the album cover is "for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item" and the film captures are visuals for "critical commentary and discussion of the cinema and television". -Lindsey8417 (talk) 02:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

I really enjoyed reading this; Jovovich is a personal favorite of mine, so it's awesome to see her article in such great shape. It passes all of the Good Article Criteria in that it is well written for the most part, it is factually accurate and verifiable, it is comprehensive, neutral and stable and well illustrated with properly tagged images. I have various nitpicky suggestions and comments, however, in order to improve the prose and readability to better fulfill the first criteria:

  • In the infobox, emdashes (—) are used instead of endashes (–); it should be the other way around per WP:DASH.
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • "reigning queen of kick-butt" is a fantastic quote, but it's not in the body of the article; the lead is supposed to be an overview. Could this be placed somewhere in the body, as well as in the lead?
Y Done I added a short "In the media" section which should expand later but seems fine now as it is. I added that quote and some info about her sort of "Geek" following. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Great start, I like it. María (habla conmigo) 00:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Jovovich has been featured in numerous high profile modeling campaigns as well as in Hollywood films: this sentence is not really necessary since this is explicitly stated later on.
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Jovovich had began modeling at eleven: remove "had"
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • and she continues her career with more notable campaigns: past tense, "continued". Also, "more notable" is confusing because it's not clear whether it is meant that the following campaigns were more notable than the previously stated one, or if these campaigns were as notable; "other notable", perhaps?
Y Done Changed to the past tense, and "other notable". -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Jovovich has gone on to say that: "has gone on to say" is used incorrectly here, since nothing is quoted from her before this; "has stated"?
Y Done Changed to Jovovich has stated that. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Jovovich was among other models who gained controversy for partaking in the industry at a young age: "partaking" is odd here; "becoming involved"?
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Jovovich finished as the best pupil, as she did in the ballet school: this is somewhat confusing. Was she enrolled in a ballet school the same time as the Professional Actors school? Further explanation may be needed here.
Y Done I have removed the statement as there is no way for me to be able to check it. The reference is from a book and the book itself is in Serbian.
  • She continued to act and in 1988...: in what? Plays?
Y Done She continued to act and in 1998... -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • This sequel to The Blue Lagoon (1980) placed her opposite Brian Krause, in the romance and adventure film: the phrasing is somewhat confusing. Is "romance and adventure film" necessary?
Y Done Removed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Is there a reason why 'Best Young Actress Starring in a Motion Picture' and 'Worst New Star' are using apostrophes instead of quotation marks?
Y Done Just a mistake. Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • science fiction action film The Fifth Element, along side Bruce Willis and Gary Oldman: "alongside"
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • She also appeared in the music video for Lenny Kravitz song: for the Kravitz song?
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Directed by Wim Wenders, Jovovich starred along side Jeremy Davies and Mel Gibson: "alongside" again.
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • and Japan on August 31, 2002: is Japan's release date noteworthy?
I would think it was, since Resident Evil was based from the video game which was a Japanese franchise. I re-wrote a portion to say that it was released as Biohazard in Japan to match the Japanese naming of the video game. If you think that isn't noteworthy still, I'll remove it. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I see where you're coming from, and I wouldn't protest its inclusion for now. Although it's based on a Japanese franchise, the film is a German/British production (according to the article, anyway), so I could see people arguing that Japan's release date is less notable than others. María (habla conmigo) 00:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
You're right, the Japanese release isn't as notable. I'll remove it. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • She had accepted the role of Alice because she and her brother had been fans of the video game franchise: change "she" to "Jovovich" since it's not clear at first whether you're talking about the actor or the character.
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • and had partaken in karate, kick-boxing and combat-training: perhaps change to "and had trained in karate, kick-boxing and combat"?
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • The role of Fangora in Dummy, brought Jovovich together in film with Oscar-winning friend Adrien Brody: no comma. Also, I'm not sure what is meant by "brought together in film". Had they met before then? Is this how they became friends?
Y Done Changed to: allowed Jovovich to act in film with Oscar-winning Adrien Brody, who was a friend previous to filming. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Sounds good, but change "previous" to "prior". María (habla conmigo) 00:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • In the role, Jovovich found an ability to identify with the character because Fangora possessed the most similar qualities to the actresses real life than previous roles: Rewrite as: "Jovovich found it easy to identify with this role because she felt Fangora, as opposed to previous characters, possessed similar qualities to the actress's own life."
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • The role required her to partake fight training for three hours a day: replace "partake" with "do".
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • She noted during an interview that year, her large action films "have [her] commercial part [of her career] taken care of, and for [her] artistic side, [she] make independent little films that never come out" and "It's a good balance".: this is really jumbled and difficult to read with all of the brackets. Perhaps paraphrase the first quotation ("She noted during an interview that year that her large action films... etc etc) and then include the last quote about it being "a good balance".
Y Done Re-worded: She noted during an interview that year that her large action films take care of the commercial part of her career, while she acts in "independent little films that never come out" to appease her artistic side, and "It's a good balance" -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • was a combination of Jovovich's parent's names - the first two letters of mother Galina and the first two letters of father Bogie's: replace dash with —
Y Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Great, great work. Once these issues are taken care of, I'll pass the article so it can go on to bigger and better things! María (habla conmigo) 17:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay, that was done long before I thought. So, I'll expand the "In the media" section a bit either now, or after the review is passed - when I have the time. Thanks for reviewing! -Lindsey8417 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
That was quick! Congrats on your newest Good Article and I hope to see this at FAC one day. :) Let me know if it goes that route; I'd be happy to review it again. María (habla conmigo) 01:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Great! If it ever gets to that point, you'll be the first on Wikipedia to know. Thanks so much. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 01:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Great work all involved on this article, was a pleasure to read. If only you were doing all of wiki haha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.35.226 (talk) 06:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)




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[edit] millaj.com.ru

This is not an official site. It is in fact a ripoff of the official site. Please do not re-add the link without discussing and gaining consensus here. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 23:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)