Talk:Military budget of the People's Republic of China

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[edit] Creation of this page

This page has been created because:

  1. This topic was on three different pages: Sino-American relations, People's Republic of China and People's Liberation Army
  2. The size of this topic is becoming too large.

The information is substracted and combined from these three pages. Mjolnir1984 16:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Also Sino-Japanese relations. Mjolnir1984 12:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese Economic Census

The Chinese government recently conducted an economic census which determined that the previous GDP figures were underestimating the size of the economy by 17%, mostly because of undereporting in the service sector. I reduced the spending/GDP ratios to reflect the newer estimate for the size of the GDP.--Todd Kloos 10:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV

The adding of the US and Japan parts are POV in my opinion. (1) Japan Telling Japan is "hypocritical" is an opinion. Japan's expenditures are at least partially inspired by the growing Chinese expenditures, there is a consensus about this in most academic articles. Also: What's the relevance of a highly controversial statement that Japan broke its own laws (constitution). Clearly, It is only relevant when a Chinese spokesman or politician would accuse Japan of of doing so - in the context of this spending controversy. If China did, no problem, but source the specific statements, as it seems POV now. (2) US Emphasizing that same can be said for US = opinion, who are you to judge? It seems that the US feels threatened (terrorism, rogue states & WMD (Iran, North Korea), and China's rising expenditures). See for instance the rapid increase in American military spending which occurred after 9/11 (expenditures substantially declined during the 90's), so the increase seems at least partially threat inspired. If it's said by Chinese spokesmen and politicans, source it and no problem. Sijo Ripa 23:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, such points are highly POV and shouldn't be included unless made by a Chinese spokesman. Japan has actually been cutting its budget (I think successively for the last four years), not increasing it. John Smith's 14:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Where does it talking about Japan like this? BlizzardGhost 03:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It's been removed. John Smith's 16:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unprotecting

No discussion in weeks. I'm unprotecting this, it's time to edit. --Tony Sidaway 18:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Figures

This page really needs updating - the figures for China are a year (two?) out of date. For example, SIPRI should read $41 billion. Can anyone bring this up to speed? John Smith's 14:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some words to say

China is nowadays the 2 or 3 largest economic entities,comparing to it GDP,the millitary budget is relative small to the expenditure of USA.Why the Americans are so keen on the expenditures of China?Maybe only one possible explanation,the USA want to find one enemy (no matter whether this enemy really want to war with the USA) to rationalize its too too big military budget.--Ksyrie 21:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice rant, I agree, but it's pointless non-the-less here on Wikipedia. 142.239.254.20 14:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Obviously, the US would want to find any possible way to contain China. China's military expenditure is around 54 billion a year. Now the US is complaining that is is too much or not transparent enough. What a bunch of hypocrties when the US spends ~540 billion dollars themselves. That is about 10 times more!! 144.214.156.77 (talk) 05:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some comparisons of Chinese military force with their Japan/US counterparts

China has spending much much less money on millitary during 1980-2000. The following information is from wikipedia.

Destroyers commissioned into the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force since 1991:

  • JDS Kongō class destroyers (4 in service)
  • Murasame class destroyers (9 in service)
  • Takanami class destroyers (5 in service)

Destroyers commissioned into the United States Navy since 1991:

  • Arleigh Burke class destroyer 50+

Destroyers commissioned into the People's Liberation Army Navy since 1991:

By 1999:

  • Type 052 Luhu class — 2 ships
  • Type 051B Luhai class — 1 ship

Since 1999:

  • Type 052B Guangzhou class (NATO Name: Luyang I Class DDG) — 2 ships
  • Type 052C Lanzhou class (NATO Name: Luyang II Class DDG) — 2 ships
  • Type 051C Luzhou class (NATO: Luzhou Class DDG) — 2 ships (on sea trials)
  • Project 956 Sovremenny class (NATO: Sovremenny I Class DDG) — 2 ships
  • Project 956EM Sovremenny class (NATO: Sovremenny II Class DDG) — 2 ships

Another conparison is that China's first 4th generation jet fighter J-10 entered into service in 2004, while in 2007 twelve F-22 Raptors - the 5th generation fighter - have been deployed by US air force in Kadena Air Base - only several hundred miles from Shanghai.

It's very clear to me who is threating whom.Sinolonghai 15:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please polish up the article where it claims the following...


"2005 China $ 65bil...Russia $55bil...Japan $43bil...US $430bil 2006 China $ 90bil...Russia N.A......Japan $42bil 2007 China $120bil...Russia N.A......Japan $43bil "

Where is the source for this? It doesnt follow through with the rest of the article.

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[edit] Clean-up of content to Wiki Standards

The article needs to be corrected for grammar and spelling. I'd edit it but I don't know nor have the sources to work with. Could someone put up a "Wiki-clean-up" header on the article? (Psychoneko 04:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] A comparison

I have deleted the first part of the section "A comparison", reasons are:

  • First, this section does not include any sources at all, which is unacceptable in general, but especialy for numerical figures such as these.
  • Also, this section is contradictory to the information given on this page; especially the information given right below it in the same section (see article).
  • Third, since this topic is controversal, it would be wise to state which institution provided the figures, since the budget vary widely depending on who you ask.
  • And last, there is no reason why the budget for the USA would be excluded when given all reason, you would think it's military budget would be the most transparent, and not the other way around.


Section that was deleted:

  • Military Expenditure (Actual Exchange Rate Base) (in billion USD)
Year China Russia Japan US
2005 65 55 43 430
2006 90 N.A. 42
2007 120 N.A. 43
  • Military Expenditure (Actual Purchasing Power Parity Base) (in billion USD)
Year China Russia Japan US
2005 240 110 43 430
2006 360 N.A. 42
2007 480 N.A. 43

142.239.254.20 14:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


Thanks! I stumbled onto this page a couple days ago when the 2007 DOD report to congress on China's military capabilities came out. It is definitely in need of some wiki-ing. I was hoping that some of its' original authors would come by before I tore it apart.NByz 01:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem, feel free to edit this section with up to date information, which is in much need for this page. 24.89.245.62 06:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)