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[edit] Please add this part from yahoo news, regarding comfort women

Here is some additional information, please add it to the article:

"Historians say at least 200,000 young women, mostly from Korea but also from China, Indonesia, the Philippines and Taiwan, were forced to serve as sex slaves in Japanese army brothels.

In 1993, the Japanese government issued a statement voicing "sincere apologies and remorse" and acknowledging that Japan's imperial army was involved "directly or indirectly" in sexual slavery.

A left-leaning government in 1995 set up a fund to compensate former comfort women. But it uses money collected by private donations, leading many victims to shun it. " http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070219/pl_afp/japanuspoliticswwii;_ylt=AixoXFjWs7O4pC8N1d2CxugBxg8F

-intranetusa

[edit] Cars?

Despite his last name, which he shares with the famous motor company, his primary car is a Toyota Prius, but also owns a Honda Odyssey minivan. Does anyone know the accuracy of these hilarious statements? VarunRajendran 04:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I added a citation, however could not find anything about Odyssey minivan. Merumerume 15:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comfort Women

The final main section, comfort women (sic), is rather choppy and unclear at the moment. I would change it, to smooth out the English, but i'm not entirely sure what it is trying to say at certain points; also, i don't have the original quotes to refer to (which i think must be misquoted, unless Congressman Honda speaks poorly). Can someone with knowledge clean this up a bit? Cheers, Lindsay 22:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed! I just added an NPOV tag to this section. Not only is the section unclear and written in poor English grammatical style, it also appears to contain unsubstantiated assertions about the validity of his claim and "Korean" claim. --InformationalAnarchist 15:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

We should minimize the references to Korean newspaper articles that the Japanese editors keep pushing. The Japanese editors are not fluent in Korean OR English and their sentences are horribly mistranslated. There should be no need to resort to obscure foreign language sources at all, as there are plenty of articles about Honda in reputable English newspapers. Even the quote and foreign language citation that I kept from the old version should really be replaced with a better English source. ThreesCompany 15:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

For those interested:

This should provide enough solid source material for one paragraph here. ThreesCompany 17:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Since it receives by Following URL, please give me an argument in Japanese well.

LikeCoffee 01:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] External links (From Japan)

It is a counterargument link from Japan. Please do not erase. LikeCoffee 00:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Those links concern Comfort Women and there are simply too many here, creating undue weight on this point of view. If you want to enlighten the world about Comfort Women, take it to that article's talkpage. This article is about Mike Honda, not Comfort Women and those links should not dominate the external links section. oncamera(t) 00:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
A Japanese link is a thing for a counterargument of comfort women. The man in the world has misunderstanding about comfort women's actual condition. Why doesn't the link for dispelling misunderstanding arrange? It is not good to hide what has bad convenience. LikeCoffee 00:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
There are too many links. Why should there be a "counter-point" to the issue of Comfort Women that adheres to your point-of view? Take it to the Comfort Women article. oncamera(t) 00:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
mike honda tends to be danced to China, tends to take up a comfort-women problem, and tends to look down upon Japan. Estrangement of Japan and the U.S. is aimed at. Those things became a problem very much in Japan. Since it is dotted with the link of the opinion of Japan, it is in the situation which cannot be refuted as much links not being shown. Please understand. LikeCoffee 00:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
His biography must adhere to the guidelines and policies. If you, or a number of editors in Japan, do not agree with what he does, that doesn't mean you place as many external links as you can on his article. Creating undue weight of an issue to your POV is unacceptable. oncamera(t) 00:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Please do not erase until an argument finishes. LikeCoffee 01:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What argument besides your POV? If you have sources, write it into the article and cite it instead of adding external links. oncamera(t) 01:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Present Whatever Comfort Women may write in, it will be returned. A report cannot be written actually. Since External links is not erased POV is added. LikeCoffee 01:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Hm, I'm not sure what you mean. But this article is about Mike Honda. This article is not about Comfort Women. oncamera(t) 01:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
mike honda It is used for China and the comfort-women problem is taken up. Comfort Women Would you make it write to a section? Although it is glad if it is possible, it will be immediately erased by many editors. We should just do what. LikeCoffee 01:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
All It is a report about mike honda. LikeCoffee 01:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The section about Comfort Women already mentions how he received donation money from Anti-Japanese groups. Is there a newspaper article in English I could read to understand this about China? oncamera(t) 01:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
It is not written how donation money was still received from the anti-Japan organization. It will be erased if it writes. Would you write? LikeCoffee 01:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I need a reliable source for how much money. oncamera(t) 01:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
This organization is good at fabrication half a day, in order to look down upon Japan. It is scribbling off without reliable sauce just as it likes. Sankei Shimbun is the news source whose reliance is most possible in Japan in a Japanese newspaper publishing company. Sankei Shimbun reaches. Since it is fully reliable, please refer to the report of IZA. Though regrettable, Japan has few Anglicized reliable newspaper articles. LikeCoffee 01:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you post a link in Japanese from a reliable Japanese newspaper (read: ja:Wikipedia:Attribution)? Is it this article [1]? Instruct me what to look for, and I will add it to the article, if possible. oncamera(t) 01:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

It is in the external link which you erased. http://www.iza.ne.jp/news/newsarticle/natnews/topics/43325/ LikeCoffee 01:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
How much was it he recieved? $110,000? And was the name of the anti-Japanese group? oncamera(t) 01:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
yes LikeCoffee 02:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Please also refer to this report. http://www.sankei.co.jp/kokusai/usa/070323/usa070323006.htm LikeCoffee 02:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, Well, I made an edit adding in the donation amount. Can you explain to me this article? Translate the important part of it, please. oncamera(t) 02:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. Just this is enough. A problem is anxious about whether it is erased by the writer of anti-Japan. LikeCoffee 02:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
It has a source, so how can they erase it? Anyway, I apologize for not understanding at first. oncamera(t) 02:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Since there are many people who rewrite without a basis or delete, I am troubled. I am glad to understand and get just here. It is wishing that at least one person of the direction which understands a position of Japan increases. LikeCoffee 02:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticized for getting money?

If we start every single criticism that comes from out-side the US on American politicians, we won't have enough server space on the wiki. Receiving money from an interest group is a common part of the American politics (hey people, it's called lobbying!), and I don't think that deserved to be mentioned how he collected some petty $100,000 from some group (considering the amount of political contriubtions, 100K is nothing)Merumerume 15:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

mike honda is attacking by aiming at estrangement of Japan and the U.S. Also in order to show the basis, it is very important that it is shown how much it is given by Chinese people's anti-day group. Please return the erased portion. LikeCoffee 23:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, LikeCoffee, Merumerume has a point. I mean, Hillary Rodham Clinton stated she raised $26 million for her Presidential campaign in the first quarter [2], and had spent $36 million for her 2006 Senate re-election. Where does all that money come from? Lobbying is common in American politics. oncamera(t) 00:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
It is a political fund of mike honda that I want to claim. It is having obtained many from Chinese people for one third, and having schemed for estrangement of Japan and the U.S. The size of money is not related. Why, a part of China policy repeats the problem solved at ancient times, and will attack Japan for 60 years or more. The thing I want those who refer to make honda to know. LikeCoffee 00:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter whether he obtained his money from Chinese-Americans or not. Those Chinese-Americans are exercising their First Amendment rights by supporting a politician who would serve their best interest. Merumerume 03:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Truth is written and it is [ why ] bad? Something Is it inconvenient to mike honda? LikeCoffee 00:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
You Doesn't it allow adding that it is inconvenient to mike honda? LikeCoffee 00:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Contribution of a presidential election It is wrong to compare the contribution of mike honda. LikeCoffee 00:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
If a counterargument cannot be brought forth, please return the portion erased with responsibility. LikeCoffee 01:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
It's not the counterargument that is needed. Lobbying is part of our political culture and we can't put every single criticism that comes from those who are not involved.Merumerume 03:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


It's not something "inconvenient." Japanese-Japanese people (I just repeated twice to separate myself, Japanese-American, from people from Japan) do not get American political system. Lobbying is legal in the United States, and I still don't see why it deserved to be mentioned. If you want to defeat his agenda, support and give money to the opposing candidate. Oh sorry, I don't think Japanese people will get this idea since they have only one "functioning" party, LDP. Merumerume 03:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not change the subject. It is not speaking about lobbying. Though activity of make honda is a result of lobbying, it is very important to write to advance estrangement of Japan and the U.S. by Chinese lobbying here. LikeCoffee 03:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it's not really important per Merumerume arguements. Do other Representatives have such things written on their pages, since this just seems like a case of Chinese-Americans lobbying to their preferred candidate (which is not illegal)? Or is this just an attempt to somehow "discredit" Honda's stance on Comfort Women? oncamera(t) 04:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I am not changing the subject. "it is very important to write to advance estrangement of Japan and the U.S. by Chinese lobbying here." -> why? If it is a result of lobbying, it's perfectly fine because that's how our government is made up and is meant to be. All you are trying to do is to discredit a congressman because he does not follow your political agenda. If it's illegal, sure it should be criticized. However, as I have repeated tons of times, lobbying is legal in this country, and heck, this country is ran by interest groups. Again, we shouldn't have 'criticisms' based on the source of his funds. It is based on a complete ignorance of American politics. Merumerume 04:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Act of mike honda It is the act which damages all the 120 million Japanese national people and past. Do you think that such a thing is allowed? Japanese people The act of mike honda has led to the big protest as what cannot be allowed. LikeCoffee 07:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is allowed. You are not getting how political contribution system works and the fundamentals of our democracy. Of course people can support a candidate who would bash the opposing party(whatever that is). It is their exercise of First Amendment rights. Our congress has always criticized other countries and will be doing it. If you disagree with that congressmen, you support the opposing candidate and try to kick him out from the office. That's also your First Amendment right. That's how our political system works. I mean, our congress have been bashing arabic nations for decades and have received millions of dollars from Jewish advocates. Do we list every single one of them? No. Unless you have a further vaild point, I will remove that line since it is based on ignorance of (and so is Sankei's article) this nations political system.Merumerume 20:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Why don't we replace that Comfort Women section with basically what's here, which just mentions what the resolution is about, and wikilink Comfort Women so readers can go there for more info? That seems a way to avoid one country's POV over another, or something... and maybe keep the last sentence from this article that quotes Honda. oncamera(t) 20:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

no objectionMerumerume 20:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, section was "re-written." oncamera(t) 20:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Why was the report of Sankei erased? I do not agree yet? LikeCoffee 01:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The page as I changed it is NPOV. The other version was not. oncamera(t) 02:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Why was the report of Sankei erased? I do not agree yet? LikeCoffee 03:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I doesn't matter if you agree, I suppose, since I already answered this question. oncamera(t) 04:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
He was criticized by Japanese because he collected a large amount of political donation money from anti-Japanese groups of approximately $110,000 from a total amount of about $370,000,[1]

It is the text I want you to leave. LikeCoffee 06:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

1. It is NPOV. , 2. It doesn't belong here as he cannot be criticized for receiving money since it is totally legal in the United States. See Lobbying in the United States And note that politicians received $728,397,857 for idelogical or single issues such as this one. Even if you divide up that $728,397,857 to number of people in house and senate, $350,000 is significantly small and it does not constitute as collecting a large sum Merumerume 15:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


Stuff I put about money from Chinese activists got erased, and I don't understand why. I don't think it's a matter of right or wrong. It was just a piece of information. There is a fact that Mike Honda gets a large portion of money from Chinese, and a fact that he attacks Japan for the issue on comfort women. Why do we not mention about the fact that Mike gets political donations from Chinese? Again, I am not criticizing Mike for receiving the donations. I simply want to provide information so that people have a little clue why he is attacking Japan; the info is crucial.

[edit] Honda Maintains a Flickr Page

I just wanted to note for everyone working on this article that Rep. Honda maintains a page on flickr, with over a hundred photos, most of which (everything after April 10th) are acceptably licensed for Wikipedia. I've uploaded the photos I think are relevant to Commons, and put them in the article. If anyone sees anything interesting, the best place to upload a new photo would be at this page on Commons. In FlickrMail with the congressman's office, someone mentioned that there's some pictures of him as a high school science teacher coming up soon as well. --YbborTalk 20:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)