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Contents 1 Requested move 1.1 Survey 1.2 Discussion 2 Metro Vancouver 3 Governance 4 Fuel tax? 5 Move to Metro Vancouver

[edit] Metro Vancouver

It says I'm not supposed to edit the talk page, but I think it meant underneath the discussion, anyways thanks hermit for fixing my broken links, I meant to do it but I have a personal vendetta against North vancouver City so, nah I'm just yanking, I don't really, anyways what is this talk of changing the name. As far as I ever knew the name was the GVRD not metro vancouver, where did this so called talk come from? TotallyTempo 06:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

There was a news story about it in the Vancouver Province a while back. The mayors and such at the GVRD were talking about it. I don't know the current status though. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 07:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

It has now been officially changed to Metro Vancouver. The GVRD website does not yet say so, but just a few minutes ago there was a news story on Vancouver CBC Radio 1 about it. Burnaby mayor Derek Corrigan was interviewed about it and he confirmed it. Time to change the title of this article to Metro Vancouver. Király-Seth 15:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Well we can be patient about it until reliable sources confirm it. Just two weeks ago, it was described by the GVRD as an alternate use but not an official rebranding, see [1]. Canuckle 16:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Funny - I've never heard anyone use the term and i work with people from the GVRD all the time. Hu Gadarn 23:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

What purpose would changing the name achieve, is there another greater vancouver regional district somewhere else or something? As far as I know Vancouver washington does not have it's own GVrD. TotallyTempo 05:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I recall, the reasoning for it is the length of the name. "Greater Vancouver Regional District" doesn't roll off the tongue quite easily. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 05:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• Confirmed that name change proposed. [2] Canuckle 16:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

• It's now official. Hu Gadarn 17:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
• To me here in England, "Metro Vancouver" sounds like the Vancouver underground railway. Anthony Appleyard 20:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Governance

I was surprised to see no mention of governance of the page. I propose adding such a section, including referece to Boards, the CAO, etc. Thoughts? Thanks, Hu Gadarn 22:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

==Out-of-date MLAs== The list of MLAs is two years out of date and includes many who lost their seats. Canuckle 23:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It's now August and the list in the infobox is still out of date. Why do we even have them listed there? Canuckle 23:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fuel tax?

Why the section on the fuel tax? It doesn't seem to add much and there are so many more activities that are of greater and wider interest. Any thoughts about deleting this? Thanks, Hu Gadarn 05:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move to Metro Vancouver

The article was moved to Metro Vancouver, but the move was premature (and has been reverted). While the GVRD board has approved the change, it still requires provincial approval. This may well be a formality, but Wikipedia's naming conventions outline that the article should remain at the legal name until it is changed. --Ckatz^chat_spy 20:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

It's official now. Hu Gadarn 17:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

It is NOT official. In order for it to be official, provincial cabinet must amend the RD's letters patent via Order in Council. This has not happened yet, and is not expected to happen until September. The Tom 23:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

if it's not official yet, someone had better tell the official gvrd website that.[3] 216.57.96.1 03:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

No one's saying it's not official now, but it wasn't 2 weeks ago. --Kmsiever 03:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

well lets start to update the page then!?! Hollywoodnorthreport 11:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Before we make the move, we need to realize that the GVRD still exists as an entity within Metro Vancouver.[4] We need to discuss if we move this article, whether this page should be replaced with a redirect page or be an article in itself. --Kmsiever 01:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Greater Vancouver and the Fraser Valley regional district make up Lower Mainland. However, Greater Vancouver is a redirect to the article about the District, the GVRD, likely because Greater Vancouver as a term is most commonly understood to be the GVRD. The term "Metro Vancouver" , I think, is the same. Nobody currently uses it except to refer to the newly-renamed district. Thus, I think Metro Vancouver can continue to be an article about the district. Canuckle 18:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I should be clearer. I believe most of this article should be moved to "Metro Vancouver"; however, GVRD is still an existing entity under the Metro Vancouver umbrella (along with Greater Vancouver Water District; Greater Vancouver Sewerage and Drainage District; and Greater Vancouver Housing Corporation). Thus what needs to be determined is what this entity now consists of and whether it is notable enough for its own article. If so, then this current article should not simply become a redirect page. I hope that was clearer. --Kmsiever 21:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh? According to the website, the name was simply changed from GVRD to Metro Vancouver. You're suggesting that there was some kind of restructuring so that the GVRD still exists? Where did you get that from? In any case, I put in the request to have this page moved to Metro Vancouver (again), but it doesn't appear anyone objects now that it's official. bobanny 15:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

See the link I provided in my 10 September comment. I am including the paragraph here as well:

Under the umbrella of Metro Vancouver, there are four separate legal entities: the Greater Vancouver Water District (GVWD); the Greater Vancouver Sewerage and Drainage District (GVS&DD); the Greater Vancouver Housing Corporation (GVHC), and the Greater Vancouver Regional District (GVRD).

My only "objection" is whether this page becomes a redirect or remains an article to discuss the GVRD legal entity. --Kmsiever 19:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I emailed them for clarification, but the statement you point out contradicts the homepage comment that clearly states Metro Vancouver replaced GVRD:

Replacing Greater Vancouver Regional District with Metro Vancouver builds upon our traditional role in regional governance and is aimed at achieving greater recognition at the local, national and international levels for who we are and what we do.

Unless there was some restructuring, that would mean that previously the GVRD was an umbrella for the GVRD and these other things, which makes no sense. As for the redirect, I don't really see the point in having a separate article for the GVRD. GVSDD, GVWD, and GVHC are mentioned here (though could be elaborated) and don't have their own articles. Maybe some clarification as to what the GVRD (if it still exists) actually is might change my opinion, but I don't see why it wouldn't be covered in this article. That said, it wouldn't bother me if someone wanted to create a separate article. It's very simple to write over a re-direct. Re-naming this article is another matter because it was already renamed and then reverted, so now an admin has to do it. bobanny 22:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

This all sounds like corporate reorganization (municipalities being incorporated under provincial law, take a look at your tax bill). A corporation is a person under common law, they are just defining which "person" made your toilet overflow. When we humans talk about a certain name, it is often a blanket term, you have to look at the actual Articles of Incorporation. Perhaps GVWD, GVHC, etc. already existed before the branding experts got there?

To bifurcate GVRD, you would have to find out what that actual corporation did and then explain its difference from the colloquial GVRD. That second GVRD, the one we would speak of day-to-day, is now most definitely Metro (unless they screwed up their own website - I couldn't find an actual press release announcing the official name change). Franamax 05:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

On review, the article does mention GVSDD and GVWD, should probably then mention GVHC. In any case, Metro has now presumably subsumed the function of GVRD. It may still be named GVRD in law, but has chosen to adopt the trade name Metro Vancouver, or there may be a Metro Vancouver Corporation that owns the rest of them. Kmsiever does have a point given that GSVDD and GVWD are mentioned. HOWEVER no references to GVRD that I have seen (seen a few now!) use it in the context of the specific corporation doing specific things. They have all been references to the geographic entity loosely defined as "Greater Vancouver" with the everpresent possibility they really mean "Lower Mainland". This entity was best described by the original authors with the GVRD link so we should preserve their original intent. Once all the original ref's to GVRD are changed to Metro, it would be perfectly acceptable to create a GVRD article which describes its functions as a corporation operating as part of the Metro Vancouver political entity.

Note also that when I found GVRD in the context of regional districts, I changed it to "Metro Vancouver district", last word not capitalized because it seems to be called only Metro Vancouver. Franamax 05:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I still haven't received a response to my email asking what the heck Metro Vancouver is or if the GVRD still exists. For now, I don't see any evidence that the GVRD is a legal entity while Metro Vancouver is some kind of imprecise marketing gimmick. I don't believe that GVRD was ever anything besides an administrative district, or that "Greater Vancouver" was anything other than short for Greater Vancouver Regional District. Like Metro Vancouver, these aren't terms that originated with common usage or ever had much resonance beyond a reference to a legal/political administrative district. Their website doesn't clarify what these things are, but it seems like some big assumptions are being made here (and in the article). If anyone has some info, feel free to share. bobanny 06:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I sent them an email as well, and am still waiting for a response. --Kmsiever 14:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)