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Contents 1 Pakistani Mess section 2 United States Navy section 3 Israeli Navy 4 Canteen 5 Etymology 6 UK tradition: original research tag

[edit] Pakistani Mess section

The section on the Pakistani messes is, in its entirety,

===Pakistan Air Force,Navy & Army===

The Officers Messes are a specail place.It has the best food available.

I suggest we delete that section. Any objection? Narsil 17:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Heck, I'm a-goin' fer it. Narsil 00:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United States Navy section

The section on the US Navy reads,

An entry is needed for the United States Navy and Marine Corps.

That's inappropriate for the main entry page; it should be here, on the "discussion" page. Anyone object to my moving it from there to here? Narsil 17:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hearing no objection, I removed that section. Consider it duly noted though, here on the discussion page, that someone would like information to be added about US Navy and USMC messes. Narsil 23:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli Navy

"In the Israeli Navy, although Hebrew speaking, Dining rooms in the Saar 5 Missile Boats, and the kitchen in the Patrol Boats are named Messes, Crew Mess and Officer's Mess." I understand what's trying to be said, but this is pretty incoherent. Could someone with more knowledge clean it up a bit? Makgraf 09:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canteen

Is the mess different from a military canteen? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

I came to this article hoping to find out why it's called a 'mess' and couldn't find anything. Can anyone find out and add an etymology section--Jeff79 (talk) 10:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

That's possibly straying a little too far into the territory of Wikitionary, see wiktionary:Mess David Underdown (talk) 11:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

A lot of articles on wikipedia have an Etymology section. It's pretty normal. Dictionaries contain a word's definition. No one expects a dictionary to have an explanation of the word's history/usage.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm the Oxford English Dictionary does indeed provide etymology supported by quotations and it is very useful. I disagree that this would be straying too far into wiktionary. I suspect the etmology of this word is encyclopaedic but would need to be verified by reliable sources - eg the OED.--Matilda ^talk 05:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UK tradition: original research tag

The 'original research' tag (on the line about owing a round of drinks if you forget to remove headgear before entering a mess) doesn't seem warranted. As this is a tradition, it would be hard to find a written source for it, but that doesn't change the fact that it is common knowledge in the Navy and unlikely to be disputed by anyone, so does not require verification. Unless the person who added that tag is disputing it? It's not the interpretation or conclusion of one individual either. If no one comments on this in one month, I'll remove the tag. Middd (talk) 22:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)