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I noticed this was redirected to astral projection. Mental projection is as distinct from that as astral projection is distinct from OBE (etheric projection :) read the 'planes of existence' template for more information. Why not redirect 'astral projection' to OBE? For that matter, why not redirect topology to geometry to arithmetic? Some things may take more effort to understand--Dchmelik (talk) 09:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- You'll be needing some sources. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 10:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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- I added some. One author does not use the exact term I do, but is the basis for the article. The other might not be reliable, but has references that may use the term....--Dchmelik (talk) 14:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- My concern is distinguishing mental projection from astral projection. My naive belief is that in mental projection one leaves the body but remains in this reality, but in astral projection one goes to the astral plane. Is that right? Phlegm Rooster (talk) 19:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- I added some. One author does not use the exact term I do, but is the basis for the article. The other might not be reliable, but has references that may use the term....--Dchmelik (talk) 14:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Both of your ideas are right in ways, but the 1st is not generally right. According to Theosophical theories from many ancient religions there are 7 'planes' and we have bodies in each (or at least all but the highest.) Any sort of projection is an out of body experience (OBE) unless one might mean 'projection' is completing a project (hehe, rather than the spatial definition.) In normal OBEs a small part of one's consciousness indeed remains with the lowest/densest body existing, so if one is alive, i.e. on the material plane, when one 'astral' projects their metabolic life consciousness remains in their body, but their emotional body (so-called 'astral body;' I call it 'ghost') leaves its space on the 'astral' intersect material plane (that space is the ethereal-vital body) and goes to other parts of the 'astral' plane. Likewise, if one does that in this reality and then mental projects, their basic 'astral' metabolic energy remains at its location but the mental body separates and goes to other parts of the mental plane. (The key is mental encloses/transcends emotional encloses/transcends vital: I numbered their involution--descent into--on the template.)
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- So, you are right in the sense that one remains in the reality they are in; that also includes the 'astral' if they project to the mental, but it does not necessarily include the material. That is because a dead person--ghost/emotional-body is not in this (material) reality--if they sleep and dream they are on the mental plane and might mental project. Calling 'emotional' 'astral' prevents scientists from considering ' metaphysical planes;' if one describes a space with one more dimension it is time/temporal, not space/astral; if the mental 'plane' (another misnomer mathematically) or 'continuum/world' is one more beyond time it is spatial (according to Einstein & Minowski.) A few philosophers correctly name the two oppositely, and your ideas hint of hearing that description, but I still had to write the previous paragraph. This topic of correct scientific terminology is another topic, but I do not think many people would want to change it for the 'astral' articles.--Dchmelik (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm... Phlegm Rooster (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- So, you are right in the sense that one remains in the reality they are in; that also includes the 'astral' if they project to the mental, but it does not necessarily include the material. That is because a dead person--ghost/emotional-body is not in this (material) reality--if they sleep and dream they are on the mental plane and might mental project. Calling 'emotional' 'astral' prevents scientists from considering ' metaphysical planes;' if one describes a space with one more dimension it is time/temporal, not space/astral; if the mental 'plane' (another misnomer mathematically) or 'continuum/world' is one more beyond time it is spatial (according to Einstein & Minowski.) A few philosophers correctly name the two oppositely, and your ideas hint of hearing that description, but I still had to write the previous paragraph. This topic of correct scientific terminology is another topic, but I do not think many people would want to change it for the 'astral' articles.--Dchmelik (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Did I write too much to make it understandable, or did you not read the 1st 1 & 1/2 paragraphs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dchmelik (talk • contribs) 22:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm... means I'm withholding judgement until some sources appear in the article. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 20:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Did I write too much to make it understandable, or did you not read the 1st 1 & 1/2 paragraphs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dchmelik (talk • contribs) 22:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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