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[edit] Summary of non-weapon related edits of User:Koalorka prior to May 27th, 2008
Most edits have the single purpose of removing any mention that Turkey is a country partially in Europe from articles or templates. At no stage are any sources presented for this point of view. When Turkish editors have objected they have been subjected to charges that the Turkish are racially inferior, of mongoloid origin, that any interbreeding with Europeans resulted from rape and that, rather than attempt to be included in Europe, they should rather seek to join the Arab League. He will not accept that Turkish Thrace lies in Europe, a point which came up in talk page discussions with the British-Turkish editor User:Runningfridgesrule. This debate resulted in him being reported on WP:AN/I in mid-April and being cautioned about his behaviour. Somehow he engaged in revert wars with user User:Izmir lee, in which he twice made five reverts in the course of 24 hours. This abuse of the 3RR ruke went unnoticed and he did not receive a block. Apparently he took no notice of this caution and continued with his provocative taunting even while discussions were taking place on WP:AN/I. He also engaged in revert wars with user Izmir, in which he twice made five reverts in the course of 24 hours. This abuse of the 3RR rule went unnoticed and neither editor received a block. At the end of January 2008 he encountered a Jewish editor User:Yahel Guhan on the talk pages of Stormfront, whom he started insulting with antisemitic remarks. He was reported on WP:AN/I and was blocked for a day for antisemitic abuse. He showed no contrition following this process. (Although it is irrelevant for this summary, his anti-Turkish agenda here seems to be conducted off-wiki in far-right forums, some involving race-hate discussions, under the same pseudonym.) I have no comments to make on his other edits to weapons-related articles, which form the bulk of his edits. The Turkey related edits form periodic binges which have been consuming more of his time in the last two months than before, Although he seems willing to "explain" his arguments to one or two people, he has stayed away from making edits to widely viewed articles like Europe which was modified only once and was immediately reverted. He has not dared try again, which indicates that he is not ready to push his point of view where too many eyes are on an article. This systematic POV pushing, which several editors have described as apparent vandalism, does not seem to be acceptable on WP. It would probably be appropriate to impose a subject ban on all edits involving Turkey.
[edit] Summary of recent edits to European ethnic groups and talk pages, May 27th-28th
User:Koalorka tried to remove material on Turkey from this article as he had done a month ago, although this time eyes were on the article. He was reverted by three editors and blocked by User:Elonka. He continued the same kind of circular discussion without sources, mentioning from his experience (see above) that usually this kind of material was only in the article because of sneaky pro-nationalist POV pushers, working for inclusion of Turkey in the EU. He had been cautioned not to do that. He failed to understand points made by a number of experienced editors (his experience being limited to weaponry). I noted that he appeared to particpate in certain far-right anti-immigrant forums off-wiki, which he confirmed. He personally attacked me, but withdrew his comments, on the advice of Elonka. In this case, his attempted disruption on a fairly stable and sleepy article (since Dbachmann neutralised it from its highly problematic precursor European people) did have 2 positive result: sources were added (all by me); the appearance of several other experienced editors, drawn in by the wikidrama, resultedi n a consensus that some clarification might be necessary in the name and the lede of the article to further neutralise its scope. However, User:Koalorka did not provide sources, was pushing the same anti-Turkish POV and continued to make anti-Turkish remarks. He caused a lot of disruption. In view of this continued pattern of disruptive POV pushing, it might be advisable to ban him from making any further edits related to Turkey.
[edit] Non-weapon related edits prior to May 27th
9/10/07 reverted eurasia in Turkey
15/10/07 reverted eurasia in Turkey
16/10/07 1st revert eurasia in Turkey
17/10/07 2nd revert eurasia in Turkey
17/10/07 3rd revert eurasia in Turkey
17/10/07 4th revert eurasia in Turkey
17/10/07 Complaint answered by dismissive remark about Turkish culture on talk page
17/10/07 Says no islamic contributions to western culture (islamic scholarship was only scholarly activity in Europe during Dark Ages) on talk page of Turkey
17/10/07 Only common feature with Europe of Turks is that they terrorized Romania and the Balkans on talk page of Turkey
18/10/07 Tells other editor that Turkey is not as civilized as Europe and should join the Arab league on talk page of Turkey
19/10/07 Finds it comical that Turks living abroad should try to present themselves as Mediterranean or Souther European on talk page of Turkey
19/10/07 Insults about language on talk page of Turkey
23/11/07 revert eurasia on Turkey
12/12/07 Middle easterners not white on talk page of White Latin American
12/12/07 Turkey removed from European Americans (template)
12/12/07 There are a few Turks we would consider "white" (i.e. Nordic traits) but these are as a result of either kidnappings from the Ottoman era or descendants of rape victims, on talk page of European Americans (template)
12/12/07 Bronson not Turkish, I'm Lithuanian - never invaded by Turks on talk page of Turkish Americans
13/12/07 removes middle-eastern as white on White Latin American
13/12/07 Bronson not Turkish on Turkish American
14/12/07 Bronson Turkish on Turkish American
14/12/07 Turks not american european on Turkish American
14/12/07 Turkey should join Arab league not EU on talk page of Accession of Turkey to the European Union
14/12/07 Turkey EU accession article biased on talk page of Accession of Turkey to the European Union
14/12/07 unsourced list of reasons for non-accession (immediately reverted) on Accession of Turkey to the European Union
19/12/07 removes Turks as european americans on European Americans (template)
20/12/07 Turks are asian americans on Asian Americans (template)
3/01/08 removes Turks as european americans on European Americans (template)
9/01/08 hopes sweden overrun by muslims to silence swedes on talk page of Africa
9/01/08 Africa full of ignorance, superstition and tribal savagery (unsourced) on Africa
24/01/08 keep Stormfront - WP not a liberal fascist propaganda machine on talk page of Stormfront
25/01/08 Stormfront + racism on talk page of Stormfront
30/01/08 Stormfront - antisemitism on talk page of Stormfront
30/01/08 black panther - provocative about racism on talk page of Black Panther Party
30/01/08 taunts jewish editor Yahel Guhan when cautioned over NPAs on own talk page
30/01/08 reported on WP:AN/I for NPA - no contrition
RECORD OF PERSONAL ATTACKS BY KOALORKA on WP:AN/I - BLOCKED
31/01/08 stormfront - mocks banning admin - calls him racialist on talk page of Stormfront
31/01/08 stormfront - removes racialist on talk page of Stormfront
31/01/08 post block discussion on WP:AN/I
only europeans are white on talk page of White American
12/02/08 boxing day shooting - complaints about violence from blacks in schools has attended in Toronto on talk page of Boxing Day shooting
15/02/08 removed statements about islamic influence on science in Inertia
5/03/08 doesn't like obama on talk page of Barack Obama
5/03/08 ethnic purity of kalash on talk page of Kalash
5/03/08 talmud - attempt to sanitize "attacks" on Talmud
5/03/08 talmud - unsourced arguments on Talmud
5/03/08 edit warring without consensus on Talmud
22/03/08 Turks not european americans on European Americans (template)
22/03/08 Silk Route - removes statement about sophistication of China over Europe on Silk Road
22/03/08 kangnido - edit warring over sourced quote on Kangnido
22/03/08 removes all Turkic groups- not indigenous - on European ethnic groups edit goes unnoticed, restored partially by Izmir and in present form on May 18 by Dbachmann
23/03/08 arguing over wording on talk page of Kangnido
25/03/08 blacks at court of Peter the Great on Abram Petrovich Gannibal
25/03/08 rant about afro-centrism, Hannibal and blacks on talk page of Hannibal
9/04/08 kangnado - removed quote again on Kangnido
14/04/08 Turks not european american on European Americans (template)
14/04/08 "turkish nationalist fool" - "pathetic" on talk page of European Americans (template)
15/04/08 Creates anti Turkish accession to EU Userbox
15/04/08 superstitious dark islamic masses - taunting with Arab league on European Americans (template)
15/04/08 world cinema - turkey not in europe on Worldcinema (template)
15/04/08 culture- turkey not in europe on Turkish culture (category)
15/04/08 culture -turkish cyprus not in europe on Turkish Cypriot culture (category)
15/04/08 european heritage day - removed map because it contained Turkey on European Heritage Day
15/04/08 european film festival - removed Turkey from List of film festivals in Europe
15/04/08 Turkish music - not european from Turkish music (category)
15/04/08 continent of Europe - removed statements about Anatolia from Europe instantly reverted as pointless - does not dare to reinstate henceforth
15/04/08 removed Turkey from Demographics of Europe - instantly reverted for apparent vandalism
15/04/08 - european populations - removed Turkey from List of European countries by population
15/04/06 created template "List of airports in Europe" containing only "please remove Turkey"
15/04/08 european ski resorts -removed Turkey from List of ski areas and resorts in Europe
15/04/08 - surprised that reverted on talk page of Pleasantville
15/04/08 demographics - reversion with personal attack on Demographics of Europe
15/04/08 Turkish music -not european - revert with personal attack on Turkish music (category)
15/04/08 incivility on talk page of European Americans (template)
15/04/08 inability to justify edits on talk page of Pleasantville
15/04/08 Make benefit glorious white Turkey? Inflammatory remarks to British-Turkish editor Runningfridgesrule
15/04/08 More remarks to a Turk: You haven't provided anything to discuss but "I'm pasty therefore I am European". That shouldn't even had dignified a response but I am known to feed the trolls out of a morbid curiosity. on talk page of European Americans (template)
15/04/08 I'll stop being cruel towards Turk nationalists when Turk nationalists stop being racist, aggressive, lying bigots who spew their filth on Wikipedia. Do we have a deal? on own talk page
15/04/08 inflammatory claims about Turkey on talk page of European Americans (template)
15/04/08 Yes, you try to mislead readers by providing false information. I have attempted to elevate the argument on the European-American talk page, take a look at it. I provided a few reasons Turkey is not and should not ever be considered European on own talk page
15/04/08 tries to excuse himself for ticking minor edit box when removing Turkey (eg from Europe), on own talk page
15/04/08 more ranting on talk page
15/04/08 taunting - incivility on European Americans (template)
15/04/08 failure to discuss on talk page
15/04/08 ranting and incivility on talk page of European Americans (template)
15/04/08 extreme incivility and provocation on own talk page
15/04/08 "Nationalist-inspired lies" on talk page of European Americans (template)
15/04/08 more provocation on own talk page Reported on WP:AN/I. 15/04/08
feigns innocence on WP:AN/I- depite being told exactly what he's done on WP:AN/I
continues pointless argument on talk page of European Americans (template)
denies any wrongdoing in systematically removing Turkey on WP:AN/I
more pointless argument on talk page of European Americans (template)
arrogant reply on WP:AN/I
failure to answer reasonable questions without incivility on talk page of European Americans (template)
reverts List of film festivals in Europe to remove Turkey
asked to provide sources which he has never done so far on WP:AN/I
refuses to understand Turkish Thrace is part of Europe on talk page of European Americans (template)
posts a provocative map on talk page of European Americans (template)
continues with remarks on Bosphorus on talk page of European Americans (template)
racial purity argument on talk page of European Americans (template)
arguing without sources on talk page of European Americans (template)
more pointless argument on talk page of European Americans (template)
and more on talk page of European Americans (template)
The whole entry on WP:AN/I 16/04/05-17/04/08 continued revert wars on articles, now including Southern Europe since he dare not touch Europe Receives vandalism warnings for removing Turkey from film festivals. Is warned again to cease making taunting remarks on Turkish Nationalists:
Claims that he is only being provoactive because taunted, which in fact was not the case. on own talk page
22/04/08 uses "common sense" rather than sources to justify himself on talk page of European Americans (template)
22/04/08 removes Turkey from european americans on European Americans (template)
again doesn't give a sourced argument on talk page of European Americans (template)
Hannibal not african - afro-centrist - refuses to discuss - no sources on talk page of Hannibal
12/05/08-13/05/08 Five reverts in a 24 hour period on List of European countries by population
14/05/08 five further reversions on the same day on List of European countries by population
14/05/08 claims other Turkish editor Izmir lee is POV pushing on talk page of List of European countries by population
[edit] Edits to European ethnic groups and talk pages May 27th-28th
The latest anti-Turkish spree took place on European ethnic groups 27/05/08 - 29/05/08.
Mistaken addition of Roma to European ethnic groups (edit summary - "They are not native people" - shows error)
Removal of header Turkic peoples and Turks from list, 10 other Turkic groups left, edit summary: "This is not a demography article but European ethnic groups"
First revert of my reversion, edit summary "Reverting unexplained vandalism"
Second revert, edit summary "Please don't add NON-EUROPEAN ethnic groups to this article without prior discussion" having failed to go to the talk page as requested in my edit summary
Nonsourced attempt to justify himself. Article only referred to population in European Turkey (Dbachmann's edits of May 18)
Reversion of wikisctibe's reversion, again does not use talk page to reach consensus, edit summary; "Discussion page already established that Turkic peoples are not indigenous to Europe, but rather Central Asia and have no commonality with native Europeans. Consens reached."
reaction to Elonka's warning on edit warring - the information on Turkish Thrace is "false" and therefore "vandalism intended to mislead the reader and compromise the credibility of this encyclopedia". BLOCKED FOR 24 HOURS FOR 3RR. Edits reverted by Ramdrake, edit summary - breaking consensus, discuss on talk page
Following his block he responds on various talk pages. On the talk page of the article:
Rejects my points, occupants of Turkish Thrace not european. european ethnic groups nothing to do with geography or nationality (no sources)
Rejects Dbachmann's points, no role for geography
Rejects wikiscribes points, mentions Islam
Rejects Ramdrake's points, asserts ethnic groups must be "indigenous" giving WP article as source
Fails to respond to requests for sources
Confrontational: "All Turks are basically from central Asia, originally developing from Mongoloid stock. Naysayers, you are the ones that have introduced controversial changes, the onus of providing sources stating Turks are ethnically European is on you."
Claims was following consenus.
Claims that inclusion of Turks is POV pushing by a few: "There was no consensus to insert this foreign group there. I usually find sneaky Turkish nationalists are responsible for those types of edits, pushing for acceptance of EU integration."
Cannot using current data on Turkish Thrace bacuse of genetic fluctuations over the centuries
Asserts article is about ethnic groups "originating in Europe" (no source)
Does not understand Ramdrake's interpretation of European ethnic group, ignorance of diasporas
On User:Koalorka's and my talk pages:
Confirms account eith same pseudonym on external forum, where he partipated in an anti-immigrant discussion
Reacts violently to me calling the off-wiki anti-immigrant discussion repugnant and racist "That is my account. Islam is not restricted to a race of people, therefore how could that be possibly racist? And please don't sling around the "racist" accusation, it's a pathetic deflection that typically grinds any reasonable discussion to a halt among the less squeamish. I'm simply not an apologist and not afraid to tackle these sensitive subjects. BTW, how are my personal opinion relevant to any of this, they are just that, personal opinions. It's also pretty sleazy how you try to discredit me even though an admin has warned you several times to remain focused on the topic, not the editors. Proves you're not fair or unbiased like you claim to be."
Is mentored about these remarks by User:Elonka
Removes personal attack in the last two sentences
Claims the forum I found (with the anti-immigrant discussion) is quite different from Stormfront after having been asked to leave my talk page.
