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[edit] Microsoft Silverlight

Please explain the removal of the references which provide citation for the claims made in the article? The ones which you removed claiming them to be spam. --soum ^talk 09:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the citations have been added just to add the links? These are not references, definitively. Macaldo 18:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

These definitely are references. http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonz/archive/2007/05/11/code-sample-is-your-process-using-the-silverlight-clr.aspx is used to source "Version 1.1 will include a complete version of the .NET Common Language Runtime, named CoreCLR" ("coreclr.dll is the name of the Silverlight CLR engine" from the linked article). "However, in the current release of Silverlight 1.1, cross domain communication is not allowed" is sourced from http://dotnetaddict.dotnetdevelopersjournal.com/silverlight_beta_or_alpha.htm ("Note that the 1.1 alpha version doesn't allow cross-domain access, so you'll still have to drop in server-side service proxies for accessing remote services"). "It is done by creating a XAML Canvas with its width and height set to zero, and using its code-behind code to modify the Document Object Model of the HTML page via the APIs in the System.Browser namespace" is sourced from http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2007/06/13/programming-html-with-c.aspx ("All the magic necessary to accomplish this is contained in a new .NET namespace introduced with Silverlight 1.1, called System.Windows.Browser"). "Visual Studio's CLR Remote Cross Platform Debugging feature can be used to debug Silverlight applications running on a different platform as well." is sourced from http://blogs.msdn.com/nigel/archive/2007/05/09/mix07-your-product-is-a-feature-of-the-web.aspx ("Now, not only do we support running applications on the Mac, we also support debugging the applications on the Mac. So, for example, we'll go here in Visual Studio now, and one of the things you can see that's kind of cool is we have a feature called Attach to Process. And you'll notice we now have a new option here called CLR Remote Cross Platform Debugging. You can tell that a dev actually named that feature"). "Silverlight can be viewed as a web extension of the Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF), a .NET 3.0 technology and not simply as a new web technology. As such, it makes sense that Silverlight uses XAML, not SVG. If Silverlight were based on SVG, then there would be a chasm between Silverlight and the .NET Framework, but as it stands Silverlight's use of XAML makes it part of the .NET family. In fact, it’s important to note that elements in XAML usually represent objects in the .NET Framework; this would simply not be possible in SVG." is from http://www.netfxharmonics.com/2007/06/Silverlights-Adoption-as-Public-De-Facto-Standard.aspx quoted verbatim. That accounts for all of them.

There goes proof of referencing for everyone of them. These things have been verified by lot many editors beside you, and reflect consensus. It is not I who need approval to reinstall them. It is you who need to respect consensus and stop edit-warring and being disruptive, continuing which will only lead you to being blocked. Also, just quoting "spam" or "useless" in summaries do not hold ground unless you explain why.

Consider this your first warning. --soum ^talk 10:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll study the popularity of these "references" but it will take some time to me. Compare the number of "references" here and the number of references in other articles, saying SQLite or even SQL, a very old technology. Something wrong no? Macaldo 09:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Articles are decided here on a case-by-case basis, not by how things are handled on other articles. Read the policies here, specifically WP:V and WP:OR. Anything claimed must be attributed to reliable sources. Thats what is being done here. As I already show you, the links are here to back up the claims made in the article. There is no upper limit on the number of references. See the Good articles and featured ones and compare the number of references they have. An article can (and should) have as many references as is needed to corroborate all claims. Anything unreferenced is not only frowned upon but in certain cases (such as quotes, is against wikipedia policies). As for the sources, they are primarily official blogs from the developers, which are considered canonical. There is nothing wrong with the references. Familiarize yourself with the policies here first (and not assume anything by looking at articles), you will know. --soum ^talk 09:18, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Please, stop the polemic. I'll review each reference soon, I'll put the links here in the talk page, (I'll not change the article) and I'll wait for advices of other contributors. Be patient. Macaldo 09:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

"If you are sure the links are useful, please put them below for approval but in my mind, these are external links, not references" - You cannot say that here. There is no guardian of an angel, and nothing needs to be approved by anyone. The only thing that needs to be respected is consensus. The current version of the article is by consensus. And it is you who is violating. If you want something removed, you have to present your case in the talk page. Crying "spam" and "useless" is not enough, you have to explain why it is so. Stop being a self-appointed vigilante, its not tolerated here. Otherwise, I will have no choice but to block you from editing in Wikipedia, which I don't want to do because you seem to be acting in good faith. But there are a lot of procedures that are to be followed here. Learn about them first. --soum ^talk 09:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)