Talk:Macedonian Muslims

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Votes for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on July 20, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

I rewrote a lot of the wording in this article because the English used in the original article was clearly not written by a native speaker of English. Hope nobody takes offence at the neccesary changes. --Harald84.153.32.234 00:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

This page should be redirected to Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia. freestylefrappe 01:10, July 20, 2005 (UTC) - Maybe you should the article before criticizing it, the article is not about ethnic Albanians in Macedonia, not all of whom are Muslims from my understanding but instead about the group of Slav Macedonians who practice Islam. --84.153.21.215 10:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

No, that's absolutely wrong. They are a Slav Muslim minority comparable to the Bosniaks, not Albanians (who are an entirely different ethnic group). I've made this clear in the article. -- ChrisO 07:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Merging with Torbesh

I support merging the Torbesh article to this one because the most common name of this ethic group is Macedonian Muslims. Also, not to forget that the name Torbesh is sometimes considered pejorative. MatriX 18:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

As suggested in Merging and moving pages, I will wait for several days (a period to generate a consensus or period of silence) before merging of the articles. MatriX 10:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A separate ethnic group?

Calling Muslim Macedonians a separate ethnic group from Christian Macedonians is like declaring that Christian Albanians and Muslim Albanians are two separate ethnic groups too. This makes no sense. A population infobox is only for ethnic groups - not religious groups. 72.153.53.35 22:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Christian and Muslim Albanians don't say they are different ethnic groups (quite the reverse). On the other hand, the Macedonian speaking Muslim population of Golo Brdo in Albania prefers to call itself Albanian rather than Macedonian. --Tēlex 22:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
They are in fact called Torbesh, and they are clearly established ethnic group (notice the difference between terms "ethnic group" and "nation"). If I say that they are ethnic group, I do not say that they are "separate" from Christian Macedonians. Ethnic group could be a sub-group of larger ethnos as well. So, try to understand this before your next removal of tables from various articles. There is absolutelly no reason why ethnic groups which are sub-groups of larger ethnos should not have tables in their articles. PANONIAN (talk) 22:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Also, see Pomaks and Gorani (Kosovo). --Tēlex 22:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Torbesh are not Macedonians

The Torbesh minority are Islamic, their origin is not Macedonian. Their origin is from Albanian tribes. Because they have lived in Macedonian territory since long back they have lost their original language and have been slavinized by language. Note also that the Macedonians themselves got slavinized by language since the Orthodox church had Slavic books since 800 AD for the people of Balkan, besides Greece that kept their Hellene.

[edit] Bosniaks

Are they not Bosniaks? Dr. Thug 22:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left here. Ling.Nut 22:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic affiliation

Do they really consider themselves a separate ethnicity, or consider themselves rather simply Macedonians? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 17:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't they consider themselves Albanians (to an extent)? They write "Albanian" on the census, and it is considered more "appropriate" for them to marry into Albanian (or Romani) families. This could be explained by the religion, but it could be for some other reason. BalkanFever 10:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Then the article needs further clarification... --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 13:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

DNA of the Torbes!

hi everyone, i am an Original Torbes from Oktisi Mazedonia. And i know that we have nothing with the other ethnik Groups in Balkan or something other there!Sorry for my bad english, but i try to speak it good. I have Make an sirious DNA-genealogical TEST and in the first i was shockt of the Results!! i am not the only, who have make the Test!!<<<<<<The RESULTS ARE: mt-DNA= (Thats from the mothers Side is):Scythian!!(onknown Origin!) And Y-CHROMOSOM= (Thats from the Fathers side): VIKING!!!!!(from North England!!) Peaple belive it im not lien!!!And im not MIxet, i am an Original Torbes from the oldest Place in the MOuntans in West- Macedonia!Called Oktisi. I think its interesant!! MFG Herakles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.189.161 (talk) 19:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)