Talk:M60 Patton

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I have changed the range to 300+ miles,this is due to my experience in a M60A1 of the 1AD in Germany in the 70's.This is road mileage,crosscountry is much lessSafn1949 01:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 numbers 2 exsive 3 Origin of the M60 4 M60A3: production or upgrade only 5 M60E2 coax 6 Driveby edit... sorry bout that 7 Nickname

[edit] numbers

how many tanks does each of the users have?.... can any one fix that

[edit] exsive

the first picture for the m60 where it explains it is WAAAAAYYYY to long, someone please shorten it up(Esskater11 01:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC))

About 325. I only know of a very few that did run dry. 325 was the operational planning , and it has some space for a safety factor.

1st AD-- What unit? in 76-79 I was at Augsburg with the 63rd We had first been with the 1st ID forward, and then with the 3rd ID.

C Co 1/35 armor,Erlangen,Germany Safn1949 00:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

In 83 to 86 I was with the 82nd in Erlangen.

The M-60, and M-60A1 was also made in Italy under contract. The Version was many times called the AM-60. Some of the first tanks received by Egypt had in fact been AM-60s.

Also the British L-7 smoke launcher mounted on both sides (US Army Model M-239 using Red Phosphorus), then incorporation of the Belgian tank mounted Coax version of the GPMG replacing the M-219 first started with the M-60A1 Rise Passive SLIP II in late 1978 with the forward deployed units in Germany. All this being a on site upgrade. It should also be noted that the M-60A1 Rise Passive SLIP I came with a Standard, and Low band with Infrared Searchlight( The low band width being called "Pink Light". The Pink light projection mode was undetectable by the then Current IR viewers of the Warsaw Pact.

[edit] Origin of the M60

In 1957, it was determined that the Soviets were in the process of developing a new medium tank, the T-62, with a 115 mm gun, superior to that of the American M48 tank. In response, an M48 tank was fitted with a new engine and later with a variant of the British 105 mm L7 series gun. This new vehicle (originally designated M68) was put into production in 1959, reclassified as the M60 and entered service in 1960.

This is contradicted by Steven Zaloga, writing about T-62 development:

...the program took an abrupt shift in January 1961 after a disgruntled Iranian officer drove his brand new M60A1 tank over the border into the Soviet Union. The US Army's M60A1 armor layout and its new 105mm gun infuriated the chief of the soviet tank force who insisted that the caliber of the new Soviet smoothbore gun be increased from 100mm to 115mm to exceed the NATO 105mm ... Ironically, the British 105mm gun had been adopted by NATO in the late 1950s after British officials examined a T-54A tank driven onto the grounds of the British embassy in Budapest during the 1956 Hungarian uprising.

—Steven J. Zaloga and Hugh Johnson (2004)
T-54 and T-55 Main Battle Tanks 1944–2004, p 11.
Oxford: Osprey. ISBN 1-84176-792-1.

Unless there's a source backing up the version in the article, this should be changed. —Michael Z. 2006-10-04 03:11 Z

I removed the comment from the article. —Michael Z. 2007-07-28 21:51 Z

can someone fiz the line about the machine gun at the very top?

[edit] M60A3: production or upgrade only

Was the A3 produced as a new model, or only implemented as an upgrade of tanks already in service? Can anyone find some production statistics for the article? Thanks. —Michael Z. 2007-10-03 23:17 Z

M60A3s were both rebuilds of older models as well as new production. You could tell them apart by the rangefinder blisters. If a turret had them on both sides, it was a rebuild. If only on one side, it was new production. The old coincidence rangefinder used both blisters, the laser rangefinder only the right side. In the rebuilds, the left blister was still on the tank, but was empty. If it was a rebuild done in Europe, it did not have a back deck external phone. I don't have statisitcs, but most M60A3s were rebuilds.  —Jim Davis 2007-12-04 19:06 Z

[edit] M60E2 coax

In the article, it states that "The M60 was the last U.S. tank to use the co-axial version of the M60 Machine Gun, the M60E2, as well as steel armor and an escape hatch under the hull, as the M1 Abrams that replaced it lacked sufficient ground clearance." I have used both the M-60 and M-48A5 during my career, and I never ran into one that had an M60E2 coax. Always an M-73 or M-219. I had heard that only the Marines used the M60E2 on their M60A1 tanks. Anyone have any info on this? . —Jim Davis 2007-12-04 19:06 Z

This is my understanding as well, but I'm not sure I have a good source on it. -- Thatguy96 (talk) 22:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I third this. US Army M60A1 series used the M219 7.62mm MG for coax, then it was upgraded in the early 80s to the M240 7.62mm coax. The A3 used the 240 from the beginning. I don't know about the A2. The M240 is still in use on the M1 from what I know.

JR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.10.219.38 (talk) 06:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

We used the M219,much to my despair on our M60A1's in germany from 1974 to 76 when I left the service,it was a total piece of crap at the time,I would like to hear if anyone had any better luck with it. Safn1949 (talk) 22:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Driveby edit... sorry bout that

Hi

I am the one who made a couple of small changes to the section comparing the M60A3 and the M1. These changes are based on my personal knowledge and experience as an M60 series tanker from the late 70s to early 90s (USA and CARNG). I believe they could be backed up by a contemporary copy of FM17-12-3 Tank Gunnery at least in part. I don't have the requisite pubs, anyone else?

I came back to put my fingerprints on the article since after nosing around a bit I discovered it was the proper thing to do.

Cheers.

JR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.10.219.38 (talk) 06:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

The M60 MBT was officially never named "Patton". This name was reserved for the (M47 Patton I) and the M48 (Patton II) only. I've never meet anyone in active service of the U.S. Arny who called the beast Patton! (This information is for all who will not accept it - specially for User:Krupkaa2!)

--Care Alto (talk) 07:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

From my understanding the M60 was never used in Veitnam (except the M728 CEV, only the M48's. Can anyone confirm?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.35.135 (talk) 02:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)