Talk:Lower Haight, San Francisco, California

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Contents 1 Expansion Ideas? 2 Appropriate Name of Page 3 Geography 4 Independent businesses?

[edit] Expansion Ideas?

So, if this page is to be brought forward from 'start' class, what should be added or improved? I guess a picture might help, but what else?

I vaguely recall that this was an important location of Jim Jones' Peoples Temple -- or was it? Are there other interesting histories that are waiting to be added? Can anyone recommend sources for such information? Frustratingly, newspaper archives don't have a 'search by geography' option. MrRedwood 04:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appropriate Name of Page

As a resident of this neighborhood for most of the last two decades, I think it really should be titled the Lower Haight, not the Haight-Fillmore. As persuasion, note a Google search for "Haight-Fillmore" (in quotes) receives 683 hits; a search for "Lower Haight" (in quotes) gets 137,000 hits. Clearly, the more used and accepted title is Lower Haight. I'll probably go ahead and make the change, but thought I'd see if anyone else is watching this page and has good reasons not to. MrRedwood 17:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

No one calls this the "haight fillmore" it's the lower haight. Paul E. Ester 14:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've moved it, and changed the main Categories page, too. MrRedwood 20:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Does Axum still exist? I really should wander the neighborhood with a notepad and check the list. MrRedwood 21:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm having trouble with links to the Lower Haight. Is this because the page was just Moved? The short links (which actually go to a redirect page, right?) don't work, whereas the links to the fully-qualified Lower Haight do work. But with a similar page, links to the redirect of Haight-Ashbury work just as well as the full links to Haight-Ashbury. What gives? MrRedwood 22:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

There was no page at "Lower Haight" I just created it with a redirect. The proper form for linking in articles is as you described using the fully qualified name without a redirect. Either will work now. --Paul E. Ester 23:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geography

I just changed the "Geography" section defining the eastern end of the Lower Haight from Market St to Webster St. Practically every web source I've come across (SFGate, SFStation, etc.) defines the Lower Haight as extending to Webster and that seems about right having walked through the neighborhood many times. Of course, that excludes the Zen Center, which is on Laguna. (Laguna would be a perfectly reasonable eastern boundary too, but I haven't seen a published source stating this.)

It would probably be best if someone could find an "official" boundary for the neighborhood from a source like the Lower Haight Merchant's Association or SF Realtor's Association.

Also, what exactly the neighborhood south of Hayes Valley, east of Lower Haight, and north and west of Market St is called, or if it even has a designation, I'm not clear about. Peter G Werner 20:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I've rewritten it again to include several definitions of where the eastern end of the Lower Haight lies. I've also provided the rather narrow demarcation that the SF Association of Realtor's makes. I'd still like to find the "official" definition that the Lower Haight Merchant's Association uses. Peter G Werner 21:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Independent businesses?

Back in April an anonymous user removed the reference to Walgreens as the only non-independent business in the neighborhood, with the explanation "Removed statement about Walgreens - Whole Foods across the street is also not independent." I just went to the Whole Foods website, and they don't claim this little market as one of their own, and it certainly doesn't have the feel of a chain or franchise. I suspect it is, actually, independent. But this brings up three questions: (1) Is it really? (2) Are there any other non-independent businesses in the 'hood? (3) Does it matter?

That anonymous user was me (still anonymous now) -- I need to walk down and ask them sometime whether they're affiliated, I keep forgetting to. Since you raise the question, I think you may be right - I've certainly never seen any Whole Foods brand stuff there. In any case, D-Structure is not locally owned. Methinks there might be a few other outliers as well, but I do agree with the general sentiment (Low Hai is very locally-minded)! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.196.150 (talk) 09:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I've always felt that this is an appealing aspect of the area -- even the Upper Haight has the Gap, Ben & Jerries, McDonald's and a smattering of local or regional chains (whether a local 'chain' of three or four hair salons still qualifies as 'independent' is a tough call). Opinions? MrRedwood 03:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)