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[edit] Eagle Hardware and Garden

Does anyone have any information on Eagle? It's History. Founders? The eagle page redirects to Lowe's, yet the only mention of Eagle is the buyout. I personally think the Eagle page should be about Eagle, and not redirect to Lowes. I would change it myself, but I know nothing about Eagle.

71.213.81.130 02:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll agree with you that Eagle ought have its own page. I also know little about it, so I can't help, but as far as support for a new page, I'm with you on that one. VigilancePrime 01:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Below is some information about Eagle Hardware & Garden, Inc
Merchandising philosophy - "More of Everything"
Type: Public company, (Nasdaq NM:EAGL)
Address: 981 Powell Avenue Southwest, Renton, Washington 98055, U.S.A.
Employees: 3850
Incorporated in 1989
In 1990, Eagle Hardware opened its first store in Spokane, Wash.
David J. Heerensperger - was the Founder of Eagle Hardware and Chairman of the Board; Had previously opened Eagle Electric & Plumbing in 1960, which was merged into Pay'N Pak in 1969. Became chairman of Pay'N Pak, but later resigned in August 1989 to start Eagle Hardware. After the buyout by Lowe's, he founded World Lighting & Design Inc. in March 2000. By June 2002, the company shut down its three stores stating the company "failed to meet sales expectations" and would be returning money to its investors.
Richard Takata - was the President and CEO of Eagle Hardware; Remained after the $1.4 billion buyout by Lowe's. Was the president and COO of the Eagle Hardware & Garden division of Lowe's, but resigned on June 1, 1999 to found CornerHardware.com along with co-founder, Peter Hunt, a former investment banker. In June 2001, IFloor.com acquired CornerHardware in an all-stock transaction between the two privately held companies and most of the CornerHardware employees were pink-slipped. Drastic0612 17:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Lowe's.PNG

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[edit] Expansion

Does anybody know if Lowes wants to expand to Puerto Rico or the USVI?--BoricuaPR 19:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

As early as 2000, the Lowe's international expansion plan talked about Canada and Mexico, even the UK in Europe, was scrapped due to threats by Home Depot and local home improvement retailers. It's possibly true that Lowe's is going to Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands and some report, Guam and the Northern Marianas in Asia's doorstep. The Home Depot attempted to expand in South America (9 stores in Chile and Argentina in 1997-2002), decidedly bailed out of Europe and Japan in favor of China and Mexico, and got into debates or conflicts of interest in some US states and Canadian provinces over the "lack of" and inadequate employee benefits programs. + 63.3.14.1 13:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Heya, 63.3.14.1, if you can put a citation for a couple of the statements you added, they'd be fine, but they just screamed out as needing citations. USUALLY I'm not very citation-demanding, but some of them really needed it (like the "Lowe's is seen as..."). Also, I couldn't understand one of the sentences (started out as HD & WM but then just listed HD as a competition or something) - I think it was missing a word, but I'm not sure.
Oh yeah, ya'oughtta register too so you're not just showing as IP edits.  :-)
VigilancePrime 22:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I heard Lowes is gonna open its first store in Puerto Rico early 2008...--BoricuaPR 23:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

A simple series of Google searches would disuade this. There is no reference to Lowe's building in Puerto Rico. Where do ya'all hear all this stuff? VigilancePrime 12:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

News about new stores coming to PR..--BoricuaPR 02:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

They aren't. Provide a source. If they were, it would be easy to find. I've looked. I would love to hear that they are (I'd love to see HD and Lowe's all across the world), but there is no source - even an uncredible one as far as I can find - that says they are. You're completely not making any sense at all. VigilancePrime 20:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I can't find the link right now,but why don't you believe me?

Do you think Puerto Rico is a third world country,you know we're part of the US and many American retail companies have their top performing stores here.--BoricuaPR 03:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Do me a favor and READ what I have written. What I don't find credible is an IP posting about information that a long series of Google searches cannot even remotely confirm. How or why you come up with this 3rd-world felgercarb is far beyond me. IF you had read what I have already written, you would see that I have searched for any sort of backup, I have expressed my hope that they would go there, and all I want is some sort of backup to this. VigilancePrime 17:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
There are rumors floating all around retail about various things. When you hear rumors about stores opening sometimes they could be true but they could be way way off in terms of time. Zoning laws and construction can delay things for years and years. The trouble with rumors is as it gets spread people think there's more truth to it. It's confirmed Lowes will expand into Canada and now into Mexico. There's rumors they might buy out Rona but that was largely due to ONE stock traders article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mdovell (talk • contribs) 01:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

To whom it may concern,

I have found a link to the information both of you are discussing. Guess where? The news was broke on Lowe's Red Apron, the site that ROOm c wants removed from wikipedia. I would post the information on the Lowe's wiki but I know that ROOm c would accuse me of posting spam. Below is the link to the news articled posted on Lowe's Red Apron:

http://groups.msn.com/LowesRedApron/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=1175&LastModified=0&ID_Topic=

Thanks, Retail Patriot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Retailpatriot (talk • contribs) 02:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Well not spam here, you are allowed(required) to site sources. However, the link you post might be considered a violation of copy write laws. Its says "Copyright (c) 2007 The San Juan Star" at the bottom, yet I am not reading the Star newspaper. It is ok to make your edits in the main article using the Star as your reference. However, you can not point to that link unless you clear up the copy write problem. (Needs to say "Used with permission from..."or something like that.) It is acceptable to site your source with out the link. It would be great if you could find an online version of this from the publisher.R00m c (talk) 04:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pay levels leaked

Recently the pay levels of lowes have been leaked on the internet. As of yet there's no comment from corporate (press releases etc). It is hard to say exactly where it came from but it appears to be a scan from corporates papers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdovell (talk • contribs) 21:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed the above comment, witch was here and also in the article, from the article. It was not sourced first of all. I would assume good faith, however Lowe's as a corporate does not necessarily hire on a set pay scale. It varies with a persons experience, job position and with the local job market. I have no good source for the WP article. But a google search of "lowes payscale" brought up(among other things) the retail worker form site. The fourm user's consensus, witch is composed of many employees and even some mangers, is that their is no payscale.[The form page].R00m c 07:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually there IS a pay scale as all stores are rated between a 1 and a 5 (five being the highest pay) it features bands that determine the least and the most. How a store is determined on a given level is the amount of competition in a given locality. These are probably still floating around on a photo sharing site. It is also under lock and key in any HR's office in the stores. There IS a minimum and there IS a maximum that each person can get paid hourly. Granted it doesn't include commissions or if state laws (blue laws) mandate given days if worked as overtime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.24.45 (talk) 16:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

We need a reliable source still. A forum site is far from being reliable. Has this issue been published else where? If we can find at least one reliable source that was willing to report on this matter then it might be acceptable for inclusion.R00m c (talk) 04:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


It probably won't be published due to some obvious reasons

1) for the company to admit to something it would have to actually accept it was true

2) in order for this to happen it would have to be hosted

3) if it's hosted it risks a DMCA violation and would be flagged and probably shut down by the company

In other words it's like the old government response of "We can neither confirm nor deny...." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.24.45 (talk) 03:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason to put this in the article then.R00m c (talk) 04:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] about the link Lowe's Red Apron

I have notified the editor who posts the Red Apron Employee Forum link about why this link can not be added. I would like to add the reasons here too so all other editors have a fair chance at discusing this as well as preventing the issue from happing again. The link in question is Lowe's Red Apron Employee Forum. The link should not be added per [1] to the article. Furthermore, I signed up for the sites message board. After making a post about the Wikipedia Lowe's article, I was banned from the site. I read over the groups rules and found no violation on my part. This site is not a very good site for Wikipedia readers due to the site owners personal(and unpublished) policy about Wikipedia reader/editors. Due to the inaccessibility some users might face this site should not be allowed to exist on the Lowes Wikipedia article.R00m c (talk) 05:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


[[Retail Patriot's Response to the lies by ROOm c:]]

Listen, I am the editor. It is an informational site. Everything posted has a direct link to the source with the exception of a small message board that is barely utilized. It is a great site for anyone wanting information on Lowe's especially college students and researchers.

ROOm c is the manager/moderator of the anti- Lowe's union site www.retailworker.com, ROOm c is biased. ROOm c wants to promote his/her political agenda by silencing other sites. Lowe's Red Apron has no commercial interests. I don't make a dime from the site. You are a vandal.

Anyone can read and access infomation on Lowe's Red Apron. You need to join to post on the message board only.

Since ROOm c was trolling on Lowe's Red Apron's message board and had one message removed by the mods for being inflammatory, he/she now has a vendetta against the site. He/She is not banned from the site, they can reaaply for membership. We had to temporarily put his/her account in a holding status to prevent further troll like (melt down) behavior. ROOm c is welcome to post on the message board as long as they respect board rules and guidelines.

If ROOm c continues to remove our link from wikipedia, I can assure you I will appeal this matter to the highest levels at wikipedia. I will also print out ROOm c's defamatory and libelous statements about me and the site and turn the matter over to my attorney and their private investigators.

One last thing, I noticed your original complaint about the link was you felt it was spam. When you realized that didn't really apply, you now say we deny access to wikipedias. Totally false.

We want wikipedians to visit and utilize our site. Our rules clearly state that the Lowe's message board is not the proper forum ROOm c (A disruptive troll on our website) to discuss his/her hatred of the site. ROOm c's references to people's sexual orientation has no place on our forum as well. I intend to report his/her abuse and vandalism of wikipedia and our site to the appropriate people. I will also take the time to review every edit ROOm c has initiated on wikipedia to determine if his/her inappropriate actions are a pattern.

Respectfully,

Retail Patriot

BTW, I added the link again. I ask other editors to visit the site and make their own conclusions and judgements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Retailpatriot (talk • contribs) 13:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Im going to just let other editors desided what to do about this matter. Thats why I brought posted the issue here.

Retail Patriot has COI and I do not wish an edit war. In this above comment he has asserted his COI becasue that he owns the site.

In my defence of the above claims, I have been to both retailworker and Red Apron forum sites. I do not hold an account on retailworker though. I am not a maniger or mod of that site. I have no interest in that site what so ever. the retailworker site should also be excluded from the article. My orgnial reason for removle becasue of spam is still the case. It is a form/group site and [[2]] number 11 clearly states that this is agenst the rules. My personal experince with this site only furthers the need to exclusion. I would now like to add that Retail Patriot's COI offers even more weight for the need to exclude this site.

Retail Patriot, making leagal threats is not going to help you here. [[3]].

And finally I am not r00m C on Retail Patriot's site. I have never used the name r00m C any where but in Wikipedia, so to say that r00m C is a troll on Retail Patriot's site is a false claim(but mabey Retail Patriot just said the wrong words. Witch is no big deal). I also fail to see how bringing up this issue and encorging others to check out the Lowes Wikiepida is hardly trolling. I see the comunity as a tool we could use to get some reliable sources.(If thats trolling on your site, again Retail Patriot's site is not made for Wikipedia reader/editors and should, again, be excluded.)

Retail Patriot, Im not attacking you or your company or your site. Im just tring to help wikipedia in maintain its quility of standerds. I am not saying your site does not have any thing to offer the canon of knolage about Lowes. I am only saying that your site does not follow the guildlines. Please stop with all this non sence, as you are embarsing both your self as an editor and your site.R00m c (talk) 07:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


Retail Patriot's follow up response and offer of Olive Branch:

Dear ROOm c,

You keep saying that we (our site) isn't a good site for wikipedians and wiki editors. That is your deranged opinion. Pretzel logic on your part. This vendetta and argument is for this discussion board, not one for discussing Lowe's matters. But if it's that important to you. Go to our site, log in, post whatever you want about the subject (I give up) since that is what you are complaining about now. First we were spam, then it was we are a group, now it's our alledge denial of access to wikipedians. Nonsense to the spam and the denial of access. oh, now the latest "legal threats"... So keep reading all the wiki rules until you find the exact one that fits the situation. Plain and simple, this is an issue for you and you want to deny us inclusion as an external link. And now you have declared war on the matter. You did register an id on our site, the id was the same and you have previously acknowledged you posted comments with on our site regarding this matter. On our site, you also directed others to this discussion page, that is how I found about your opposition to our site. So another lie from you. I will take this matter to who ever if you continue. The lawyer issue you now bring up, when you post lies about someone with the intent of inflciting damages, well sometimes that will get you in some hot water. Stop lying and mis-stating the facts and let's join together. I am offering the olive branch here. I use wikipedia as a resource. I encourage others to do the same. I understand wiki has rules. I am new. Help me figure out a way to fit within your rules, so I too can be a contributor to wikipedia and you and I can stop this stupid back and forth. For the last time ALL WIKIPEDIANS AND EDITORS ARE WELCOME AT Lowe's Red Apron!

Respectfully,

Retail Patriot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Retailpatriot (talk • contribs) 10:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE

Someone has registered a new name (Mookedout) and claims to be you (ROOm c) they also made two references to lulz. One was how they built a credit card reader to steal customer's data for "the lulz". If that is not you, I apologize. Anyway, let's see what the other editors say and do with this discussion and issue.

Retail Patriot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Retailpatriot (talk • contribs) 11:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Retail Patriot, I have been trying to help you by showing you the rules. We welcome constructive edits to Wikipedia and I hardly see how adding your personal website is constructive. You reverted your edits at least four times. After the 3rd time your edits became disruptive regardless of weather or not we should included this link or not. I am not just pulling rules out to make you look bad I am only trying to show you why we can not add your site.
On aside, I did register again. I feel my posts where constructive as they where merely replies to other peoples topics. I was again blocked from the entire site.
Retail Patriot, (encyclopediadramatica is the best place to understand what lulz means, but in short it started as a a plural form of "lol".)(I said I built a credit card reader that you can put on your fingers. I never said I use it to steal. I said that it could be used for that. There is nothing wrong with building such devices. I work part-time for a security consultant company. We have all all kinds of cool stuff like that in the office.)R00m c (talk) 20:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

You really are at each others throat here, aren't you. First off: R00m c, "I intend to report his/her abuse and vandalism of wikipedia and our site to the appropriate people." does not constitute a legal threat. [I didn't read this properly. It actually can be construed as a legal threat.] Retailpatriot, "I will also take the time to review every edit ROOm c has initiated on wikipedia to determine if his/her inappropriate actions are a pattern." is something I strongly recommend against in the current situation. And please consider your considerable conflict of interest regarding the page. Further, I urge you both to stop editing the article for now. Remember that Wikipedia and this article won't go away anytime soon, so there's no need to lose you cool and risk a WP:3RR block. Personally, as an outsider, I find the "not-affiliated with Lowe's" disclaimer at the MSN site really doubtful. Even if there's no money involved, it's rather obvious that they are not neutral observers. That said, I would recommend against including the link. Salvage the useful links it has to offer, e.g. the source links provided in the articles at their history subpage and link to those instead. The forums are really not interesting here and offer no reliable information. ¶ dorftrottel ¶ talk ¶ 20:56, December 6, 2007

[edit] Business week article

I removed the following link from the EL section. It may be appropriate as a reference, so I'm mentioning it here for others to work into the article if/where appropriate: Business Week: A Sharper Edge for Lowe's. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)