Talk:Long Beach Polytechnic High School

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[edit] Add citation or remove some alums without sources

According to http://www.nndb.com/edu/836/000080596/, only four of sixteen notables are confirmed alums. Would somebody be able to add citations for the other. Otherwise, I think they need to be removed. --Rob 17:07, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

NNDB is a beta website, and I've found it to be of limited usefulness. I would not use it for deleting any information from this or any other article. ^BlankVerse 08:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

If nndb.com is completely unreliable then we need new sources for *all* alums, or else remove all. Is that what your suggesting? I'm unclear. Currently, there's no sources for most alums here. I'm not suggesting nndb.com must be the source. I'm using nndb.com as a reason to *keep*, not as a reason to *delete*. --Rob 12:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not saying NNDB is completely unreliable, but that there are huge holes is their currently not that comprehensive database. I don't think there is any one-stop source for alumni. I've seen problems with birth cities and other data in IMDB, and IMDB rarely lists high schools. There is one source for baseball atheletes that is great and identifies high schools, but I've misplaced that link. ^BlankVerse 19:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not really sure if we even have a difference of opinion (or ever did). We agree nndb is just one of many sources of alumni. We agree nndb is incomplete. I've often had to go to multiple sources to verify a list of a school's alumni (actually, I always try multiple sources). If nndb didn't list any names, but all the names were listed elsewhere, then that would also be fine with me. But, one way or another, every name has to verified somehow. That's all I'm saying. Do you agree that there has to be *some* source for each alum; and that without a source, it must be removed (after all source attempts fail)? That's really my whole point here. Also, if you find that baseball alum source you mentioned, please add it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools#Notable alumni sources. Also, feel free to add any comment about the reliability or non-reliability of such alum sources there, if you think its worth noting. --Rob 19:24, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

As someone who lives in the Long Beach area, I am pretty sure that all of those individuals listed in LB Poly article went to school there. It may be awhile, however, before I can find the time to verify those names.

If you are going to start doing this for all the lists of alumni for schools, and especially for colleges and universities, you are undertake a huge task where the quality of most of those lists are much lower than the LB Poly list, and notability of many of those listed are certainly less than the LB Poly list. ^BlankVerse 07:59, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I acknowledge there is some backing of some names here, and you've added greatly to that by adding that baseball link. So I'm not removing anybody this second. In fact, I haven't even had a chance to research each individual name, which is what I would need to do, before removing them. I'm not in some mad rush. As for the larger problem of unsourced alum lists, I agree its a widespread problem. I'm just one person, and I'll fix 'em where I can. I have removed a number of alumni from a number of lists. I've been looking through a *lot* of alum lists as I've standardiezed the section name to "Notable alumnni" (which is how I noticed this article), and periodically remove names (a number of cases are blatantly absurd).

As a Poly grad of '63 I know the John Wayne citation is wrong - I believe he went to Glendale High.Ronk0424 19:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

If a person on the list is wikilinked to their own article, I think that you would have to check all of the references there to ensure that you do not delete adequately sourced content. For example, I added Samantha Larson to the list, but I didn't include a reference here, since it didn't seem to be part of the style. I included the pertinent reference in her article, instead. Unless a listing is contentious (e.g., porn stars), adding a source for each "notable" alum in the school article seems unecessary, even if it might be desirable. In the article for my high school, I source their alumni status if it hasn't already been done in their own article, or if they don't ahve an article yet. Of course, I usually add their high school information to their article and add a reference there, too. The one source that I referred to in every case possible was out own alumni directory, which has some ommissions, but no documented instance of a spurious listing. See Tamalpais High School if you want, for my example.--Hjal 04:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)