Talk:Lonesome Dove

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[edit] Origins - (Feb. 2006)

The real origins of Lonesome Dove can be found in the movies Bandolero and Cheyenne Social Club.

Bandolero in particular is easily seen to be the basis of LD. Just read LD and watch Bandolero. Just listen and read for the names of the characters and what they do in the movie and the book. Several characters have the exact same name (e.g., July Johnson, Dee Boot, etc), and do the same thing in the book and movie.

Check it out if you do not believe me.

4.231.104.131 (talk · contribs) at 23:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deets & Blue Duck - (Aug. 2006)

I've read Lonesome Dove and watched the mini-series repeatedly, and I don't remember any reference to Deets being an escaped slave. Further, I don't recall any reference to Blue Duck's ancestry. I may have missed these details, though, or were they stated somewhere other than Lonesome Dove? 216.39.180.60 cneron 22:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Blue Duck is the half Mexican son of the Comanche war chief, Buffalo Hump, whose other son Call shoots in the Brazos River in "Dead Man's Walk". In "Comanche Moon" Buffalo Hump banishes Blue Duck because of his disobedient ways. As far as Deets goes, he says in "Lonesome Dove" that he came to Texas from Louisanna. In "Comanche Moon", McMurtry's narrative tells us that Deets was a slave stolen by a chief named Wildcat and that Deets escaped in transit to Mexico. After taking shelter in the Ranger's stable, he is accepted by Captain Innish Scull into the Texas Rangers. Read "Comanche Moon" it's even better than "Lonesome Dove" believe it or not. 68.66.232.46 (talk · contribs) - 21:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC) & 76.178.61.130 (talk · contribs) - 09:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latin Motto - (Sep. 2006)

Does anyone know what the latin motto that was on the ranch sign meant? I have wanted to know for years.--The Emperor of Wikipedia & Protector of Wiktionary 05:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Uva uvam videndo varia fit: "A grape changes color in seeing another grape". 68.66.232.46 (talk · contribs) - 21:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maggie - (Dec. 2006)

Lonesome Dove never gives Maggie's last name as Dobbs. In fact, Newt was told growing up that his father was a travelling salesman named Dobbs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.71.28.137 (talk) 14:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Mangled Latin - (Aug. 2007)

This article needs a discussion of the meaning of the Latin phrase -- how it relates to the plot and characters -- it's not there simply because Gus is a pretentious phony intellectual.

If you take the incorrect version (vivendo instead of videndo) as Larry McMurtry's conscious intent (Gus knows no Latin), it can be interpreted as something like "a grape changes in the process of living". This, of course, is exactly what does not happen -- none of the characters change.

This is a disconnect with the article's statement that "Along the way, the Hat Creek boys revisit old regrets and losses and come to terms with their past." This is not true. Other than Newt, who begins to mature, the characters are no different at the end of the novel than they are at the beginning. This seems to be a recurring theme in McMurtry's stories -- people "respond" to stressful situations by not changing.

In reviewing the plot summary, I'm tempted to add at the end, "And lots of people die gruesome, pointless deaths, typical for a Larry McMurtry western novel." But I refrain. (15:44, 15 November 2007)

WilliamSommerwerck 19:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

It's typical for Larry McMurtry NOW. "Lonesome Dove" pretty much set the template for that sort of thing. Claude 21:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Condition - December 2007

This article is a certified mess. It's purportedly about the book, then begins listing actors when it discusses the plot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.124.112.210 (talk) 04:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

In this particular case, I think it's because the two are so intertwined. The novel started as a TV movie script, which nobody picked up, so McMurtry turned it into a novel. When that took off, suddenly there was interest in the movie again. This also explains why the movie is so faithful to the book. Claude (talk) 05:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References - June 2008

This article is in dyer need of references.

See: Wikipedia:Citing sources - and - Wikipedia:Verifiability

There has to be some Lonesome Dove lovers who will step in and refify this article.

Thanks, saddle up! ~ WikiDon (talk) 21:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)