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This statement that Lodhis are probably a sub-group of Ghilji is wrong. The Ghilzai(Ghilji/Ghalji) are the kindred tribe of the Lodhis. The Ghilji are descendants of the eldest son, of Shah Hussein of Ghor and Bibi Mato, called Ghilji. The Lodhis are the descendants of the younger son, Ibrahim Loae. The Ghilji represent the western house of Mati and the Lodhi represent the eastern house of Mati. Together, they are called by their metronymic, the Matizai, which is rare in Afghan tribal culture.
Additionally, the Ghilji are not Khilji Turks,or descended therefrom. This is supposition on the part of the author. It derives from the mystery of the Khilji, a people described as allied to the Afghans during the latter's invasion of India and of residing in the area of Ghazni during the time of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni. Ironically, today the Ghilji reside in that same area but they spread into the area, as they are famously part-time nomads, especially before modern borders were fixed, and used to travel in the winter as far as Calcutta. Also, most tribes of Turkish or 'Turco-Mongol' descent are proud of the fact and would not deny it if it were true e.g the Turi Turco-Mongol tribe of Pakistan's tribal areas, the Karlugh Turks of Hazara division or the Qizilbash Turks of Lahore.
Both the Ghilji and the Lodhi share the tribal heritage of descent from Shah Hussein, a Ghorid prince who left the petty kingdoms of his Ghorid homeland of Ghor and Bamiyan in search of spiritual growth. Thus, they are both descended from House of Ghor. The Ghorids were the rulers of the central massif of Afghanistan for hundreds of years till their destruction during the Mongol advance of Genghis Khan and were deemed to be descended from a ruler of Iran. Neither tribe of Ghilji or Lodhi has facial markers of Turkic/Mongol descent (wide set narrow eyes, flat facial features, brachycephalic heads). Rather, they have a surprising degree of variation in features, from Aryan to Semitic, similar to many Afghan tribes.
Please do not insist on this fable of Turkish descent. It is unsupported by books and by the tribal heritage of the people themselves. At the very least, let us obtain a neutral POV on the matter. --Ahmadzai
I do not know if this is a comments page or not but I am assuming it is. The information for Lodhi needs correcting:
"Lodhi (also sometimes Lodi) is a Pashtun tribe" - it is an Afghan tribe, of the Mati sub-branch (matrilineal) of the Sheikh Beit division (one of 4 major divisions of Afghans. Patrilineal descent is from Shah Hussein of Ghor, a descendant of the Shansabani kings of Ghor (a mountainous region in central Afghanistan).
"...most likely a sub-group of the larger Ghilzai of Afghanistan" - Lodhis are not a sub-group of Ghilji - they are fraternal tribes.
There were 2 sons - the elder was Ghilji from whom a tribal nation of the same name descends, and there was the younger, Ibrahim, surnamed 'Loë' (i.e. great) on account of obtaining the blessings of his grandfather, Sheikh Beit, an Afghan patriarch and sage. Ibrahim Loë's descendants are called Lodhis (i.e. translated literally, 'the great ones').
Certain tribes have grown so big that they no longer keep the tribal name Lodhi, but rather the sub-tribal name i.e. Lohani, Marwat (basically a sub- sub- tribe of Lohani), Suri (Sher Shah's tribe), Dotani, Niazi
"Members of this tribe established the Lodi dynasty, which ruled over the Delhi Sultanate and included the prominent ruler Ibrahim Lodi." - Additionally, a Lodhi from the small sub-tribe called Suri went on to challenge and wrest the throne of India from the Mughals, so that for 25 years, the throne of India was in the hands of Afghans. This man was King Sher Shah Suri.
"The Lodhi family name is common amongst the Pashtuns." - it is not a common name; it is unique to the descendants of Ibrahim Loë.
Lodhiana (district of Indian Punjab) - named after the Lodhis who settled in large numbers in the Punjab
I have added more to the second section of the topic.
Mayurkirti
