Talk:List of opera houses

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[edit] Clean up and name changed

I've tried to clean up the list in this article so that only opera houses are listed, not opera companies. A List of opera companies should cover the companies themselves, which I will create in the next week (if someone else doesn't beat me to it). Also, I can invision this article being moved to List of opera houses, with "Opera house" devoted to a discussion of opera houses themselves, their history and acoustics, etc. Cheers. --BaronLarf 20:41, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Opera House versus Opera Houses

I have been spending quite some time updating, adding to, and extracting from both of these pages. There is a huge amount of duplication.

Logically, to me it seems, the list of HOUSES ought to contain as many as possible. The term OPERA HOUSE (in the singular) is confusing.

WHAT ABOUT MERGING THE TWO INTO A SINGLE PAGE - OPERA HOUSES - WHICH LISTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE WORLD??

THE PAGE WITH THE TERM "OPERA HOUSE" COULD BE FLESHED OUT WITH A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THE ORIGINS AND STYLES/TYPES OF OPERA HOUSES.

Vivaverdi 17:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! IMO: the singular (opera house) should be used for the article title (due to simplicity) and specific notes; the plural (opera houses) for lists, etc. It's analogous to global city (not global cities!). But also note the use of 'opera company' (below).
As for lists, we shouldn't have a plethora of them and I support consolidation when needed. For instance: as the result of a long-standing mediation regarding the global city article (currently in abeyance), I created a list of notable opera companies (25) and would prefer that list remain discrete. Make sense? Let me know if you've questions or neeed assistance. E Pluribus Anthony 23:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for your comments - and a couple of changes I see you've made to the Opera Houses (sic) list. Since we have an OPERA COMPANIES list, the plural seems to make sense to me.....

As I add the "Opera Houses" in the category section of the arctilce, I find that those houses now flesh out the "Category:Opera houses" section quite nicely and simply puts them in alphabetical order. BUT do you know how to ADD a SUBCATEGORY to a Category - in order to add subcategories such as "Opera in Singapore" for example. Several exist already, but there needs to be more. Vivaverdi 16:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! The article name deals with the concept or topic of 'opera house' or 'opera company', but a list has more than one of either. This is how (methinks) the related articles/sections should be rendered:
  • Opera (article name)
  • Opera house (article name)
  • Opera company (article name)
BUT
  • List of operas (article name or list)
  • List of opera houses (article name or section heading)
  • List of opera companies (article name) or section heading)
etc.
I'm really neither here nor there, but applaud your work to consolidate multiple lists. Make sense?
If you want to add another category or subcategory (as headings in the article), merely add another set of equal signs before and after the appropriate heading/term; observe below:
=Asia=
==Eastern Asia==
===Japan===
====Honshu====
=====Tokyo=====
etc. Which yields:

[edit] Asia

[edit] East Asia

[edit] Japan

[edit] Honshu

[edit] Tokyo

If properly formatted, this also yields a table of contents as above. See here for more on categories; essentially, keep them discrete, name them logically, and don't create too many. If the lists are really long, another list/(sub)article can be created with a link to it. I hope this helps! :) E Pluribus Anthony 16:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Omissions

There are still quite a lot of omissions here. I have just added a number of Italian houses - all of them still presenting opera today. If I have a moment I will look at the German/Austrian lists which also look short. Kleinzach 20:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poland

There aren't any information about opera houses in Poland / Anon comment 11 April 2007

[edit] Old Opera Houses

Can we include locations that used to be used for Opera, i.e. Her Majesty's Theatre which was the home of the company which formed the Royal Opera House and had been performing opera for nearly 150 years? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 12:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The list currently contains two opera houses that no longer exist (Académie Royale de Musique and Khedivial Opera House), with annotations saying that they burnt down. I don't see why Her Majesty's shouldn't be included, but it should have an annotation saying something like "extensively used for opera, 1705-1847" (although the article seems to concentrate exclusively on ballet for the later years - maybe it needs to say more about Costa and the Italian Opera House?).--GuillaumeTell 13:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks- I have added it- I will also try to expand info on the opera performed at Her Majesty's Theatre (any assistance welcome!). Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 18:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit warring

Can I call on all editors involved to stop edit warring over this article and present their opinions here? Thanks. -- Kleinzach 02:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

No one has said that a house which does not present opera all the time cannot be included here. So, the removal of Buxton Opera House (amongst others) is absurd and totally unjustified.
OK, merge the Khedive into Cairo, but this latest petty removal from the list makes no sense whatsoever. Viva-Verdi 02:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Is this list meant to be a tourist guide? Or is Wikipedia meant to be actually useful for historical research? If the latter I fail to see how removing my entries is helpful when they played a considerably important role in the history of Opera. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 02:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Can I ask everyone to stop changing the introduction to this article. Let's put it back to what it was on 15 May and talk about it. Is that OK? -- Kleinzach 03:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. I have now replaced the original introduction. Please discuss amendments etc. here. Best to everybody. -- Kleinzach 06:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

One suggestion: if historical opera houses are included, is there a fear that this might become a little unwieldy? If so, why not create a separate List of historical opera houses? Moreschi Talk 08:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, historic opera houses are one of our weak areas. (There is a lot of information in Grove but it's under cities not the names of the houses themselves.) -- Kleinzach 08:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
So shall we create List of historical opera houses? The introduction of this article currently states:
"there are many theatres whose name includes the words Opera House"
however this is really not useful as many establishments already on the list do not contain the word "Opera" or "Opera house" therefore the introduction should be reworded stating that
"any establishment that does not regularly stage opera should not be included on the list" But then again, how do we define regularly? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Some of the establishments are clearly more deserving of being on this list than others - for example looking at the calendar for The Lowry, the performances which are not Opera or Ballet seem to significantly outnumber the ones which are. Then we have the Savoy Theatre which I added but was removed by two editors which did put on Gilbert and Sullivan works in 2003, and two further productions of The Marriage of Figaro and The Barber of Seville in 2004. Should this be on the list? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 14:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, how about this wording:
"This is a list of establishments which are currently linked to major opera companies or opera festivals. Other establishments which perform operas by minor companies or only rarely stage opera are not included.".
NOTE: though that Opera North which is linked to the Grand Theatre Leeds, the Lowry Centre, Theatre Royal, Nottingham, Theatre Royal, Newcastle, the Bradford Alhambra and the Lyceum Theatre (Sheffield) is not on List of important opera companies although it has received the following awards recently:
  • Winner of the Royal Philharmonic Society Award for Opera & Music Theatre 2007
  • Winner of the South Bank Show Award for Opera 2007
  • Winner of the Royal Philharmonic Society Award for Opera & Music Theatre 2005
  • Winner of the South Bank Show Award for Opera 2005
  • Winner of the TMA Theatre Award for Outstanding Achievement in Opera 2004 Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 14:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)