Talk:List of communities in Wales
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[edit] Community?
I suspect that people have been adding place names to this page with no justification?
Welsh communities are defined at Community (Wales), i.e. communities are NOT just 'places where people live' but places well-defined by the Local Government Act 1972 and with elected councils.
A lot of checking is needed here. -- Maelor 15:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- So this list has been redefined to only be a list of communities with community councils? That's not what the title of the page and blurb at the beginning says. Owain (talk) 16:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
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- I've no problem either way as long as we all agree on the definition of "community".
- This text appears on Torfaen Council's website:
- "There are six Town and Community Councils located in Torfaen. These are Blaenavon, Croesyceiliog & Llanyrafon, Cwmbran, Henllys, Ponthir and Pontypool."
- so I removed the surplus entries from the Wiki article. I did this wherever a local authority website defined its "communities". I accept that the local government act seems to have a loophole where anyone can establish their own "community meetings" (which appear to have no authority?) but we need to avoid is anyone simply adding "the place where I live" to the list! There were several places listed on the page which are no more than very small hamlets. If done this way the list could prove to be endless.
- There also seems to be some confusion in some peoples minds between 'communities' and 'wards'.
- I think it would make more sense to list "Communities with Councils" on this page and to list "communities" within these communities on individual community pages pages???
- Having said that, I was only tidying up the page format originally and didn't intend doing any more work on it. So if you want to make changes, go ahead. -- Maelor 20:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- I think you have missed the point. Even urban areas are subdivided into communities, but you have removed them and only left behind the ones with councils. For example, Newport has Allt-yr-yn, Alway, Beechwood, Bettws, Bishton, Caerleon, Coedkernew, Gaer, Goldcliff, Graig, Langstone, Liswerry, Llanvaches, Llanwern, Malpas, Marshfield, Michaelstone-y-Fedw, Nash, Penhow, Pillgwenlly, Redwick, Ringland, Rogerstone, Shaftesbury, St. Julians, Stow Hill, Tredegar Park, Victoria and Wentloog. But you edited that away leaving only:, Bishton, Coedkernew, Goldcliff, Graig, Langstone, Llanvaches, Llanwern, Marshfield, Michaelstone-y-Fedw, Nash, Penhow, Redwick, Rogerstone and Wentloog - i.e. only those communities that have established councils. This fundamentally breaks the concept of this page, which was supposed to be a definitive list of communities. Owain (talk) 13:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think you are missing my point! Unless you have a tight definition of what a 'community' is (as you have for Unitary Authorities, etc., with well-defined boundaries) you are opening the floodgates to 'Everyman and his dog', living in the middle of nowhere, to define, unilaterally, his house and the telephone kiosk next door, as a community. So I do not believe that it is possible to produce a 'definitive list' without a logical and legal definition of 'community', i.e. based on Community Councils. I see little point in producing a lengthy list of spurious 'communities' unless there is an article linked to each item in that list and I suspect that many such articles could never be more that one line stubs? I suspect the sensible solution would be to have two lists, the second being 'List of Communities in Wales with Community Councils'? -- Maelor 12:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think you have missed the point. Even urban areas are subdivided into communities, but you have removed them and only left behind the ones with councils. For example, Newport has Allt-yr-yn, Alway, Beechwood, Bettws, Bishton, Caerleon, Coedkernew, Gaer, Goldcliff, Graig, Langstone, Liswerry, Llanvaches, Llanwern, Malpas, Marshfield, Michaelstone-y-Fedw, Nash, Penhow, Pillgwenlly, Redwick, Ringland, Rogerstone, Shaftesbury, St. Julians, Stow Hill, Tredegar Park, Victoria and Wentloog. But you edited that away leaving only:, Bishton, Coedkernew, Goldcliff, Graig, Langstone, Llanvaches, Llanwern, Marshfield, Michaelstone-y-Fedw, Nash, Penhow, Redwick, Rogerstone and Wentloog - i.e. only those communities that have established councils. This fundamentally breaks the concept of this page, which was supposed to be a definitive list of communities. Owain (talk) 13:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
