Talk:List of The Closer episodes
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[edit] Table accuracy
I just finished making a sizeable number changes to writers and directors for Season 1, and a fair number to Season 2. Episode order is now correct for S1 as well (two were in reverse order originally.) Most appear to be errors made because editors used the IMDB rather than the broadcast or DVD as sources. The tables are all accurate now (barring a few stray errors), with credits drawn from the DVD's (S1/2) and original broadcasts (S3).
A couple notes: -- Several episodes have writing credits as Story by and Teleplay by This indicates the person credited as writer on our table wrote the script, but another writer developed the story versus written by where the writer also developed the story. Mike Bercham has several credits like this, basing stories on his own experiences as an LAPD Homicide Detective (see Ruby, for example.) In these cases, I've added Story by: (Name) to the beginning of the episode summary, and will add a note by the writer's name indicating they wrote the teleplay only. -- Use of ampersand (&) versus and (and) varies in the show's screen credits. All credits have been corrected accordingly. Baldwin & Coveny usually write in this order, and are credited with the ampersand, but have occasionally written as Coveny and Baldwin, credited with 'and'. The use of one versus the other generally indicates different degrees of collaboration, but I'm unsure just how each author's contribution is weighted in such cases. -- I've removed the colored bar between the episode title/credits and summary. I found this enhanced readability and reduced clutter a bit. With the fourth season due to go into production soon (the first episode should go out for casting in about two weeks, meaning we'll have a title) the article is getting long and the tables needed a bit of tightening up. Drmargi (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Season Four Table
Episode titles for Season Four will be added to the table every 10 working days, roughly. These come from open casting calls widely available on the web. I'm going to remove the request for individual cites and provide a note to serve as a general citation for all titles. I've also restored the full table. The table cells aren't empty: they provide production numbers and airdates. This is commonly done when a new season starts. --Drmargi (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- I've replied at Talk:List of Burn Notice episodes. Thanks! Matthew (talk) 16:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding a source, Doc. However, the source you provided doesn't list the title for episode one. Further problematic is the episode synopses; where are you sourcing them from? I'm assuming that the website (Showfax) has further information for subscribers (like the title for episode one, for example). Can you confirm this as I'm not a subscriber. Matthew (talk) 13:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
That's correct, Mafeu. Crew, summaries, et.al come from that source. --Drmargi (talk) 03:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Great stuff! Does the same apply for Burn Notice too? Those episodes were removed because they lacked a source. It seems like they can be re-added now though (citing Showfax). I've removed the citation requests and cited Showfax for the crew and summaries. Matthew (talk) 06:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I put the table back and updated it. You go put the citations where you want them. I checked the guidelines on tables of episodes and there is no policy stated or implied requiring the table not have empty cells, and tables like that were all over the place in September when the new season started in the US. These titles will come fast - why not leave it in place? --Drmargi (talk) 07:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I just think a lot of empty cells is useless as they're empty. However, the primary problem (sources) is resolved, and the empty cells issue is not worth fighting over. I'm not going to remove them again. Matthew (talk) 09:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I can't argue with the uselessness point, if they're sitting there doing nothing. But to my mind, the table is a work in progress, and is inappropriate when its incomplete. And bear in mind, it's also a lot of work to set one up and rather frustrating to have it reverted when there's no guideline precluding one. Glad that's settled!! --Drmargi (talk) 14:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I just think a lot of empty cells is useless as they're empty. However, the primary problem (sources) is resolved, and the empty cells issue is not worth fighting over. I'm not going to remove them again. Matthew (talk) 09:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I put the table back and updated it. You go put the citations where you want them. I checked the guidelines on tables of episodes and there is no policy stated or implied requiring the table not have empty cells, and tables like that were all over the place in September when the new season started in the US. These titles will come fast - why not leave it in place? --Drmargi (talk) 07:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
