Talk:LGV Est

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[edit] Controversy

The article states that one of the sources of public debate is that "It is possible that passengers from Germany to Paris may travel via Mannheim station.." and that "The LGV Est is an 'interoperable' high-speed line, permitting the inter-running of different system European high speed trains.". Why were these points a matter of public debate? Tompw (talk) 15:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I deleted this, because the ability to use two different voltage systems (25kv in France, 15kv in Germany) is may be trivia, but not a controversy.

Frankfurt-Paris will be on ICE via Mannheim and Saarbrücken, Munich (starting December 2007)-Stutgart-Paris will be via Karlsruhe and Strasbourg on TGV trainsets. So I wonder what whoever wrote this wanted to say. Because what was written was wrong anyway, I deleted it. --Soylentyellow 21:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cumbersome transfer to German cities

Consulting the Thomas Cook World Timetables, it is apparent that you can't get there from here. If one travels from Strasbourg to Frankfurt, it is necessary to make transfers in Offenburg, Karlsruhe, Mannheim, to finally reach Frankfurt. Travelers to the east (i.e., Germany) will still prefer to take airlines. Dogru144 15:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Not true. Check in http://www.bahn.de There is currently approx. 1 train per hour from Strasbourg to Frankfurt, journey time mostly between 2:11 and 2:33, with one change, usually at Offenburg. Just because currently there are no through trains, doesn't mean there can't be in the future.
The "controversy" is that if the Paris - Frankfurt TGV trains bypass Strasbourg to save time, that means a few less TGV trains Paris - Strasbourg, and no high-speed service Strasbourg - Frankfurt.
The accepted wisdom (translation: I cannot provide a citation) is that if a city-centre to city-centre journey time is less than 4 hours, then the train will compete with the plane on time, because if you include getting to and from the airport, check-in, waiting for luggage etc. a city-centre to city-centre journey by plane will take at least that long.
Articles in the local press are predicting traffic drops for Strasbourg Airport once this line opens. TiffaF 11:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Now (pre opening of the line) you have to change trains in Offenburg if you want to go from Strasbourg to Frankfurt. Karlsruhe and Mannheim are merely stations the train stops. Takes approximately 2 hrs. In the future (post June 2007) you will change in Karlsruhe, journey time will stay roughly the same.
However, there will be two branches serving Germany. The northern branch will go from Paris via Saarbrücken and Mannheim to Frankfurt (operated by ICE) and the southern branch will serve Munich (starting December 2007), Stuttgart and Karlsruhe via Strasbourg (operated by TGV).--Soylentyellow 21:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second phase?

Some information on the second phase would be good -- length, status, time of projected opening etc.


[edit] Troyes

When (if ever) will Troyes be connected to Paris? When Moulins-sur-Allier?

Troyes is (and always has been) connected to Paris by rail (see map here [1], click on the map to enlarge it). It is on the "old route" from Paris to Mulhouse and Basel, the LGV route is now faster, but other trains still use the old route. This route is between the LGV Est and LGV Sud-Est routes, as far as I know there is no plans to build an LGV via Troyes.
Moulins-sur-Allier is somewhat obscure, I had to look it up: town site. It is also on the above-mentioned map as "Moulins", NW of Lyon and on the line from Paris to Clermont-Ferrand. According to the SNCF website it does have a station and it does have trains to Paris.
Not sure what your question has to do with the LGV Est, who are you and why are you asking? TiffaF 06:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGV Interconnexion interconnexions

The diagrams/article could do with updating to include the perpendicular junction with the LGV Interconnexion Est. I think also the first crossing of two high-speed lines. —Sladen (talk) 19:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LGV Interconnexion triangle naming

I guess not many people read this talk page...! I've been trying to find out the official name of the triangle connecting the LGV Interconnexion with the LGV Est eastwards, for adding to the Flying junction article. —Sladen (talk) 12:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)