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[edit] Urban Legends

I also heard (for years) urban legends about Ken Osmond. 1. That he grew up to became rock star "Alice Cooper." 2. That he had a "romantic involvement" with Barbara Billingsley. Anybody else hear these? --24.189.35.249 23:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of episode listings

The episode list posted here has been deleted.

This information should be posted as an article of its own.

This is a page for article use--see above rules.

Thanks!

trezjr 21:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Please respond to citation requests as soon as possible, or as dictated by policy, they may be removed.

trezjr 19:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Beaver wins a sports car

I just watched an episode of LITB and Beaver won a $3500 sports car. I missed the first part of the show and only saw a glance of the car's phamplet with AKA printed on it.

What kind of "sports car" did Beaver win? In the early 60's, what Sports Car, domistic or or import cost $3500? From the glimpse I saw, it looked like an old Triumph, Austin, Morgan...? Do you know what kind of car it was?

Tks 67.42.74.156 17:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)BOBB

[edit] Location of Mayfield

In the past week's episodes, Ward has referred to June as the "Belle of East St. Louis", and today he went on a business trip to St. Louis, which points at Mayfield being in Missouri. - Dudesleeper · Talk 23:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Since St. Louis is right on the Mississippi, and East St. Louis is actually in Illinois, Mayfield could then just as easily be in Illinois. Also, unless we know that June grew up in the area around Mayfield, her being the "Belle of East St. Louis" has nothing to do with where the show is set. (Notice I did say "unless..." above; I don't claim to know for sure either way.) --Tkynerd 14:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
In the episode "The Boat Builders" Ward mentions they are not far from the ocean(I think he states they are 20 minutes or 20 miles from the ocean), which would rule out both Missouri and Illinois as locations for Mayfield. There are also a couple of episodes with references to surfing. 159.53.46.144 13:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC) Jim True

Also there was an episode of beaver going to a Dodgers game, and another one of talk about Wally going on summer vacation to Mexico. They never actually said where Mayfield was located, sometimes it made you think they were in California and other times somewhere in the Midwest, I think this was done perposely to project the idea that the Cleavers were the all-around American family.

[edit] Characters

I cannot see why each character requires their own article. I propose that they all be merged into this article. LittleOldMe 14:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Not each character, just the main/recurring characters, per, for example, Friends. - Dudesleeper · Talk 20:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the main character articles can be expanded. No need for a merge. The articles on friends' parents and the teachers are unnecessary and can be merged or deleted. Characters like Lumpy and Eddie Haskell, of course, should have their own articles too. Wavy G 06:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Agree 100%. WAVY 10 23:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Racism

The show's blatent racism should be mentioned in the article. The only black kid in the show stole Beaver's bike. That even puts Micheal Richards to shame. 12va34 03:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Not necessary. LTB didn't have any more or less black characters than other major TV shows of the era. How many blacks were on My Three Sons or The Beverly Hillbillies or Andy Griffith or Lost In Space or Gunsmoke?

Beaver at least had a Hispanic boy in one episode.

This article isn't here to prove someone's political point. Don1962 30 June 2007

A black actress appeared in a later season episode as a maid at the Langley wedding reception where Eddie and Wally were hired as parking valets. LITBfan (talk) 00:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The oldest scripted show on American television?

What is meant by this line? Surely LITB is not the oldest American TV show to be scripted...I Love Lucy predates LITB by at least 5 years, and it also has been on TV ever since. 159.53.46.144 14:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC) Jim True

It was a recent quote by Mathers here. He could, of course, be wrong. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
And I just realised he states that Lucy didn't go straight into reruns after it ceased first-runs. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I suggest the statement should be removed from the article, or at least qualified (to say oldest continuously aired show) instead of being stated as an absolute fact. Better still, maybe it should read "the longest-continually running show. "Oldest" implies that it was before any others, which is definately not the case. As for I Love Lucy, I guess it depends on whether you consider the Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour as part of I Love Lucy. If so, the I Love Lucy definately has been on continuously since 1951, since the half-hours started reruns after the end of the Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour went off the air. 159.53.46.144 16:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC) Jim True
The claim of "oldest scripted show on American television" needs further qualification because both "As the World Turns" and "Guiding Light" debuted before Leave it to Beaver, and both are still on the air with new episodes! 159.53.110.143 18:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC) Jim True
Well, there's our project laid out. - Dudesleeper · Talk 18:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To go in the "Episodes" section when completed

[edit] Opening credits

Season one: The characters aren't shown. A drawing of a street, viewed from above, displays the credits in wet concrete.

Season two: Ward and June, standing at the bottom of the stairs, see the boys off to school as they come down the stairs and exit the front door.

Season three: Ward and June enter the boys' bedroom to wake them up.

Season four: Ward and June open the front door and stand on the stoop. As Wally, followed by Beaver, leave the house, en route to school, June hands them their lunches and Ward their jackets.

Season five: The men are out in the front yard, and June brings out refreshments. This must have been introduced mid-season in one of the latter two seasons.

Season six: June, carrying a picnic basket, exits the front door and walks towards the car. Ward, carrying another item for the picnic, is next, followed in quick succession by Wally. Beaver, lagging behind, runs out, slamming the door behind him, and joins his family in the car. Ward, with June in the passenger seat and the boys in back, then reverses toward the camera. - Dudesleeper · Talk 01:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

A few corrections. The picnic open (also the only one not to use the Season 1 theme) was for the final season. Season 5's open was the one with the guys working in the yard.
As for the Pine Street house, that was probably used to display the production credits for both Seasons 5 and 6. WAVY 10 23:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To check

The "190 subsequent episodes" that appears in several articles (Ward Cleaver, Wally Cleaver, for example) needs checked. I think this might be an error on IMDb's part. I can't recall many, if any, episodes without all four core cast members. - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suburban?

To my recollection Mayfield was not a suburb but a small town. A suburb is a community associated with a larger city. Recommend this be changed to Small Town. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.217.166.84 (talk) 13:22, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opening sequence, etc.

While the OS is mentioned in the show's stand-alone episode guide, I think it can appear here as well because the WP guide suggests that this is the proper place for it.

Also the plot follows the cast in the WP guide. Let's leave it that way. Please? Readers will expect consistency from one TV article to the next.

MayfieldForever (talk) 01:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. One thing, however, I suggest you create a new username. "MayfieldForever" doesn't bode well in terms of article ownership. You've already demonstrated that you revert without much regard (reinstating two typos I corrected, for example). - Dudesleeper / Talk 11:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FAQ section

IMO, this should be deleted as trivia/speculation, with the exception of the origin of Beaver's name. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tenses

The article is currently suffering from a serious bout of both past and present tenses, which makes for a poor read. Hopefully this can be corrected. - Dudesleeper / Talk 21:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aaargh

Is it just me or has this article become disastrously overgrown with trivia? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bolding of Actors' Names

Let's not bold actors' names in the "Characters and cast" sections. Bolding was done once before and removed. There are no examples in the TV shows Featured Articles (that I could find) for bolding actors' names nor is there any indication in the MOS for bolding actors' names. Discuss here! Thanks! MayfieldForever (talk) 05:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It's done in WP:MOSFILM. If you don't want bolding, then it should be removed from the character names as well. It looks odd to do it for one and not the other. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I disagree – it looks neater to my eyes. - Dudesleeper / Talk 09:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, since I appear to be a minority of one in feeling that this is getting further and further away from a good article, I'll stop editing here. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TV Land Ads

I deleted info about one TV Land "Haiku" ad. We can't list every TV Land re LITB. There have been so many. As far as I know, Wikipedia TV articles don't list ads about an article's show. Comments? MayfieldForever (talk) 06:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleted "Haiku" -- again. We cannot list every TV Land ad re LITB. They're basically peripheral, very peripheral. At the bottom, they have little or nothing to do with the show. WP TV articles don't list ads re the subject of the show anyway. Secondly, the word "dumb" is POV. Someone, somewhere at TV Land decided Beaver was "dumb" and wrote a haiku. The ad should be listed in an article about "TV Land ads" rather than in an article about LITB. More interesting is the TV Land ad depicting Wally with tattoos. Tony Dow sued and the ad was removed, as I recall. Nonetheless, listing TV Land LITB ads in this article is peripheral. Let's stick to LITB rather than TV Land. Comments? MayfieldForever (talk) 17:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

ok, I'll consider this, thanks for explaining. Moocoweyes (talk) 17:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Movie theaters

I'd like to see Mayfield's movie theaters mentioned in the article, since they're mentioned/seen in several episodes. I know one is the Valencia, but I can't recall the other one(s) off the top of my head. The Globe, perhaps. - Dudesleeper / Talk 03:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)