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[edit] Judith Gibbins

We currently have no info on Judith or a page linking to her. I'd like to know more about her as she was my favourite Lara voice actress. Magic Pickle 12:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lara's Age

I believe Lara's age has also been dropped. It used to be February 14, 1968 - but ever since the release of the Angel of Darkness it's been listed as 2/14/19?? both on the original website and in the strategy guides for AOD and the Prophecy. I believe the Legend guide also mentions something along the lines of never asking a woman her age.

Lara Croft's past has been changed continuously. In the first Tomb Raider manual it says her parents disowned her. Genjix 13:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Now that Crystal Dynamics has rebooted Lady Croft the page has deleted some deprecated biography. Shouldn’t both continuties be covered? – Bossk

I think we should mention in some section the names of the real-life actresses and models that impersonated Lara before Jolie, like Rhona Mitra. Pictureuploader 01:55, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Why is is necessary to have summaries of all the games when they already have summaries on the Tomb Raider series page and their own individual pages? It's not that relevant to the page since this game is about the character Lara Croft and not about the Tomb Raider series. And why does someone deem the Overview section to be irrelevant? I think it is very relevant.198.54.202.195 19:42, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

The article says she became a Countess after her fathers (the Earls) death, which is accurate. How then on this planet did she become Duchess of Saint Bridget?

She was the Duchess of St Bridget in her old biography. She's a Countess in the new one.

[edit] Outfit

It's been believed for a while that Lara Croft's outfit was ripped (or inspired) from the outfit worn by the female agent (played by Chingmy Yau) in the movie City Hunter, starring Jackie Chan. I believe this deserves a mention in this article, despite it never having been acknowledged by the creators of Lara Croft (as is my understanding). Anyone else feel likewise?

You just answered your own question there buddy - "it never [has] been acknowledged by the creators of Lara Croft" - therefore, there is no substantial proof other than coincidence.143.92.1.40 (talk) 05:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lara Croft based on?

There is apparently a real life lady that Lara Croft is based on. Help? Chris 00:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

really? I don't think so though. Didn't the creator just make her a female version of Indiana Jones?
According to the AOD companion, inspirations for Lara include Tank Girl and Neneh Cherry.
If you bought the tombraider dvd you will see, in the bonus features, that lara was actually suppose to look a bit like Indiana Jones, which would later be Von Croy, but because of the possibility of being sued they decided that it would be more beneficial to make the lead character into a woman - thus lara was born.

..and yes, Lara was based a bit on Tank girl. Not sure about Neneh though.. - MoJoe

[edit] PICTURE

Shouldnt we put an ols picture beside the new one to compare them ?

There is a picture in the article titled "Lara's evolution through the Tomb Raider series" that does just that. Shrensh 07:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] confused by this sentence

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I've been pondering about what this sentence in the article means: Despite some initial reservations, Jolie expressed interest in making a third Tomb Raider movie, cancelled those plans after Cradle of Life failed at the box office. Anyone want to clarify?

[edit] Bra Size? Pardon?

Hey, folks! This is just reality checking in to say WHY DO WE KNOW LARA'S BRA SIZE? Where did we learn this information? Was it in the instruction manual? When was this "redesign"? And if this "redesign" is so she becomes more respectable, doesn't this peice of information degrade her reputation?-Shadow the Edge-hog 02:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. Where did you guys find out this piece of info and why does it even matter to begin with? This isn't even useful at all and it just ruins the character and the redesign she took in TRL. We all know Lara' legendary huge ta-tas, but it isn't important for an encyclopedic site such as Wikipedia. Vgamer101 02:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it is possible some sicko got their hands on a 3D model of Lara and used the height specifics to make a scale. From there it was measure and submit. Besides, as you said, it doesn't help the liability of Wikipedia. It was probably submitted when Lara was well known for her "ta-tas." But still, it doesn't help her reputation from the "re-design." We might want to delete it, but that would be killing knowledge. That may be considered a bad thing as far as wikipedia is concerned. By the way, has anyone noticed that someone changed the original size from 34C to 34D? -Shadow the Edge-hog 19:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Good point. As for it's "killing knowledge", I doubt it. There's currently an entry in the discussion section for the Half-Life character Gordon Freeman over the possibility of an infobox, that hasn't been input yet, that includes a category of all sorts of info about him including, and I kid you not, a category to determine his penis size. I highly doubt that itself would be relevant to anything useful about the character, just as I doubt Lara's breast size is all that appropriate and relevant to her. Vgamer101 04:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I agree with you on relevance, but breasts traditionally show a majority more than (ahem) and are also more significant as far as appearances. Also, we might get a note on our site from Dr Debug about deletion, coupled with a page revert. By the way, who could get Gordon Freeman's (ahem) size? Also, completely off topic as it is, consider writing a brief (yet still saying something about you) user page. -Shadow the Edge-hog 22:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Scratch what I said about the character Gordon. It's been removed. So I retract my previous statements. I would have removed that stuff myself but I was stupid enough not to read the instructions on how to remove it. My fault. Anyways, you're right about the greater signifance of her chest size as far as appearance. I was stupid enough not see that. In regards to character appearance, I agree with you. Vgamer101 01:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
That's that, enough said, why don't we take this to a poll? I sit on the fence: I see this as morals vs. encyclopedia standards. As much as this tidbit is wrong, it's bad manners to delete it. After all, one man's thoughts may not agree with society. We need a set time limit. A week is short. Month is still not enough. I say same time next year. Enough time for a fairly large, random sample. Put somethin' on both your page and talk page; we need as many votes as possible. Getting down to business, I expect your next edit to include (but is not limited to) your position on this issue plus your opinion on time alowed for votes. This is taking too long. Article talk pages are for discussing possible changes. Also, I will not be voting.-Shadow the Edge-hog 04:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I added more to my page and an extra topic to my talk page about a poll. If you have anything to say or ask put it it my talk page. But to get back on topic and include my position on the subject, I just thought of a new problem. Even if the character of Lara Croft's chest is important to her character and how she looks, it would be hard to determine what the size even is. I'm saying this because since 1996, when the TR series first started, her physical appearance has drastically changed, including the size and shape of her ta-tas. Believe me, I seen this hands on. Over time the attitudes towards character design and advancements in graphical technology have rendered coming upon one definitive size rather impossible. I garuantee they were a bit bigger in Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation than they were in Tomb Raider 1, 2, or 3. Or at least I think so. Same goes for their shrinking with more recent entries to the series. Her somehow magically inflating and shrinking chest would probably force this article to have multiple number sizes for each game, if we were to include it here. Vgamer101 17:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I was originally wanted the poll to be concerning the relevancy of her bra size. Just her "magic chest" aside, I was going to use the results to decide whether or not the article should feature her bra size. You have a point with the game chest change, but that wasn't really the starting purpose of this section. We could use your observations and use the rest of this talk page section on that topic, but that's not our main concern. Or we could just throw the poll idea out the window and start with the differing breast/bra sizes in the different games. Oh! I really don't think we need any special template. All we really need is to say something along the lines of: Welcome ladies and gentlemen! This on-going talk page section has come to the decision that a poll will be taken on the fate of Lara's bra size. Please vote in the following gap with (so-and-so) colons (:) before your vote. Please state your opinion and a few reasons for your vote. Everyone who sees this should vote. We need all the votes we can get. (end example) The "magic chest" idea presents another reason to vote to keep the bra tid-bit. More information. We still need a time limit too (if we'll still poll, that is). Besides, I'm sick of adding more colons. Keep the current level of 7. Also, this is a little perverted that a small fact(more like fiction) has blown to this level out of proportion. I say we drop it, walk our seperate ways, and noone's the wiser. Also, if anyone picks up our legacy, I won't help. Cool? -Shadow the Edge-hog 00:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
It's cool. And yes it is a little perverted to have it this long. I was just trying to point something out. Yeah, I sure think that someone could easily pick up on our notoriety for this. Let's stop it here. Vgamer101 00:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] That's not so good

Aside from the several other problems with this cruft of croft, sections of her biography appear to be based on this:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=83405095

Or maybe the myspace came after. Someone should look into it. Balonkey 06:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

I just have two real concerns I would like to point out with this article (except for it being quite poorly written)

Why are her body's measurements even mentioned? This doesn't really contribute anything to the article. She's a digital character made up from polygons, and no other video game character has such trivial things mentioned.

Why is not her being overly sexualised mentioned in the controversy section? That seems to have been the most controversial thing about her - and possibly the reason why her measurements was added in the first place. I had never even heard of the people complaining at her character being cold-blooded. Sam Fisher and such appear way more cold-blooded to me (but perhaps it's not 'lady-like' enough for some americans).

85.225.25.163 22:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Why are things mentioned--because some people want to know. That's more than enough reason, right there.
Last Thylacine 11:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
"Some have still derided her form as being unrealistic (especially in regard to her BMI)" there's no source for this, and personally I have never seen any complaints of the sort about her redesign, which was made to be more proportionally accurate, and massively toned down certain parts of her body.172.212.111.208 (talk) 21:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Femme fatale

Seems Lara is listed as a fictional femmes fatales, but I completely fail to see how she qualifies as one. Does anyone know if there is something in her history that would support the claim? 193.64.250.106 10:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be some confusion over the word's literal and figurative meaning. Whilst Lara could be described as a 'deadly woman', she does not possess any of the general characteristics associated with a "femme fatale" - a seductive, manipulative and dangerous woman. 80.47.178.255 17:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

That is Lara all right. Anubiz 18:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revise?

It is said the original name for Lara Croft was to be Laura Cruz. It was later changed to Lara Croft due to the fact that an American accent would change the pronunciation of "Laura" to "Lara", and that "Cruz" didn't sound British. Because of the similar pronunciations, she is sometimes referred to as Laura.

this passage from the main article needs to be revised, but I'm a newbie and don't want to ruin it, I suggest that the weasel words be removed and that it cites the Tomb Raider main page as a source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.91.75.120 (talk) 08:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Biography

I'm not sure about the original biography before the retcon, but the retcon section is copied (almost directly) from the biography in the strategy guide of the game and is a copyright violation. I might try and clean it soon, but just pointing this out so maybe someone else can clean it up too. Phydend 00:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Y Done ColdFusion650 01:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Present tense & incorrect facts

Firstly, all of Lara's biography has been written in present tense when it happened in the past, these events not even present in any of the games. When the article talks about her current liofe however, it should indeed stay in present tense. Secondly, Lara's mother was never called 'Amelia', nor her father 'Richard', they were only ever mentioned as Lord and Lady Henshingly-Croft. Thirdly, there is insufficient evidence supporting the statement, " Lara thrives in individual barefoot sporting activities such as competitive swimming, platform and springboard diving, gymnastics and martial arts." No official biographies mention this.

8:52, Monday 19th July 2007

[edit] Breast Size

I think that it would be interesting to make a note of why they're inflated, it's because a designer accidentally adjusted the model's chest to 150% its intended size. This would be interesting information, but I'm not sure where it would belong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shroopliss (talk • contribs) 22:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Presuming you can cite this with a reliable source, then it could be included in the article. Somehow it seems slightly unrealistic to me... ~~ [Jam][talk] 22:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The main Tomb raider article includes this story, but the link it cites[1] does not include all of the details described (in fact, he might well only be joking in that interview.) 72.1.202.145 (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The Face's interview with Gard always struck me as being a bit tongue-in-cheek. I don't know if it should be considered a reliable source. In the TRA bonus DVD he says she was intentionally designed with exaggerated proportions simply because realism was impossible at the time. This article says her physical attributes were exaggerated "to make it very clear in game that she was a woman." I don't know if any of that is worth adding to the article.~ Dusk Knight 05:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)