Talk:Kyoto Shoshidai

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[edit] Tsuchiya Masanobu

I don't know what to make of this?

  1. In 1783, Kuze Hirotami was replaced by Tsuchiya Masanobu, who was "previously governor of Miyako (kyōto machi bugyō).<:ref>Screech, p. 19, citing Deshima Dagregisters, 9/67.</ref>
  2. Tsuchiya in 1984-1785 had 3000 koku as hereditary stipend + 1000 koku as Nagasaki governor's salary.<:ref>Screech, p. 222 n64.</ref>
  3. Kurihara Morisada who had previously been Nagasaki bugyō, was promoted to Shogunal financial administrator or Kanjō-bugyō.<:ref>Screech, p. 222 n81.</ref>

In due course, these citations can become useful somewhere, probably. --Tenmei (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate sequence

A chronological list of Kyoto shoshidai of the Tokugawa shogunate is the most obvious way to parse the subject; but it isn't the only or even necessarily the best way to proceed. The following re-sorts the serial list by clan relationships. Okudaira comes first because the first of any series with an unknown (and unknowable) duration is unique a priori. Thereafter, the clans are listed in the order of the earliest member of the sub-set -- that is, the Makino are positioned before the Inaba because Itakura Katsuhige came before Inaba Masamichi in the chronological sequence. Whether this alternative listing format is better -- or revealing -- remains undiscovered at this point, but for the moment, it may make it a little easier for me to cross-check intra-clan relationships .... --
Okudaira clan

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Itakura clan — Y Done

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+Makino clan — Y Done

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Toda clan

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+Inaba clan — Y Done

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Naitō clan

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Matsudaira clan

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Mizuno clan

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+Sakai clan — Y Done

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Abe clan

  • 23 Abe Masasuke (1760-1764)
  • 24 Abe Masachika (1764-1768)
  • 35 Abe Masayoshi (1806-1808)

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Doi clan

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+Ōta clan — Y Done

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Miscellaneous


I wonder: Does this listing format invite any questions? comments? suggestions? --Tenmei (talk) 18:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kamakura shogunate

I wonder if this article might be improved by something like the following:

[edit] Kyoto shoshidai of the Kamakura period

List of Rokuhara tandai during the Kamakura shogunate
Ordinal Name Duration Notes
The Kamakura period Rokuhara tandai functioned much like the Edo period Kyoto shoshidai.
1 Hōjō Tokiuji ...? . <:ref name="m103n2">Mass, Jeffrey P. (1976). "The Bafuku comes to the Aid of Beleagured Jitō, 1206, 1227, 1227," The Kamakura Bakufu: A Study in Documents, p. 103 n2.</ref>
2 Hōjō Tokimori ...? . <:ref name="m103n2">[see above]</ref>

References

If not now, perhaps at some other time in the future? --Tenmei (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)