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Contents 1 Polskie flagi 2 LOTD proposal 3 Flag of Poland 4 WP:LOTD 5 Wesołych! 6 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Mpo-logo.PNG 7 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Krakow-banner.PNG 8 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Krakow-coa.jpg 9 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Krakow-seal.PNG 10 Polish national songs 11 Re:chandail de hockey 12 Jadwiga of Poland 13 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Cracovia.PNG 14 Speedy deletion of Template:Bishop of Kraków 15 Gord (Slavic settlement) 16 1 cent euro coin ... 17 Image:Iraq 2003 occupation.png 18 Good work on the anthem infobox 19 Tuđman-request move 20 Mazurek Dąbrowskiego 21 Resurgent discussion on pl Wiki about Polish flag colors 22 Fair use rationale for Image:Faraon.jpg 23 Requested article

[edit] Polskie flagi

Z brakujących flag - są jeszcze bandery:

• PZŻ
• JKMW "Kotwica" pl:Grafika:Bandera jach MW.PNG
• YKP [1]

Jednak sytuacja prawna tych bander jest dość zawiła. Z jednej strony ustawodawca o nich "zapomniał" pisząc aktualne ustawy, z drugiej są nadal w użyciu opierając się na dawnych rozporządzeniach. Ciekawe czy w końcu ich status zostanie uregulowany... Radomil talk 21:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LOTD proposal

You have nominated a recent WP:FLC. There have been two recent proposals to begin a List of the Day feature on the main page, which have both received majorities but have not been approved as overwhelming support sufficient for the main page. WP:LOTDP is a new proposal to try to get the ball rolling based on the original proposal. Voice your thoughts on its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of Poland

As you could tell, I been working on the article somewhat recently. I think the article is pretty good so far, but I am do not believe this article is ready for FAC. One example is that I noticed a lot of bullets in the article, which is not good. There are no spelling issues, but I believe Tony1 is fixing the grammar. Gruntbrat (talk) 18:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and I do appreciate your help. So far I've been working on this article virtually alone and it's in bad want of a fresh look. I will welcome any further suggstions, additions or corrections from you and other editors. Of course, I will also review all edits to ensure the article remains factually accurate. — Kpalion^(talk) 21:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, that is fine, since I am not Polish nor I speak Polish. Gruntbrat (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Another thing, can the table at Flag_of_Poland#National_colors be shifted towards the right of the article? Gruntbrat (talk) 21:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I tried it and the result was that the right side of the article was too cluttered, especially if you hide the table of contents. — Kpalion^(talk) 21:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Another thing, I been working on trying to improve the SVG graphics at the Commons. Except for the white color background, does everything else at Image:Zscouttest.svg look decent? Gruntbrat (talk) 22:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but not quite. I don't know much about creating vector graphics, but I think the biggest challenge is to render the fine, gradient shading of the eagle's feathers and crown in the coat of arms. Please compare these two images: Image:Coat of arms of Poland-official.png and Image:Herb Polski.svg. The SVG version uses only two colors, white and light gray, to recreate the whole spectrum of shades of gray you can see in the PNG version. This shading is not quite correct from the heraldic point of view (which is why SVG works fine for most other coats of arms, which have plain colors with no shading), but this is the official version and you can't really argue with it. Another error is the shape of the escutcheon, but that, I suppose, should be relatively easy to correct. Additionally, the shade of red should, preferably, be of the same shade as indicated in the footnote to the article about the Polish flag, i.e. #E9E8E7. — Kpalion^(talk) 00:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I can fix the escutcheon. Gruntbrat (talk) 01:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, but I wonder, if it's worth your effort, if the shading will still look worse than in the PNG version? I mean, what's the point of using SVG for the sake of it, if PNG can do the trick better? — Kpalion^(talk) 01:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Because it has gotten to the point where PNG files are being phased out. I was talking to other Polish users on IRC (under the name Zscout370) and I asked them if an SVG version could be made. I was showed the image you display at the right. Plus, I intend to just improve the images so if we do decide to switch to SVG for everything, then we have something that is very close to what the official law has. I also just changed the eagle to the white that was legally asked for. Is the red correct or not? Gruntbrat (talk) 01:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm OK with replacing PNG files with SVG ones as long as we don't compromise factual accuracy. If we use images which are not as close to the official specimen as possible, then we're not being factually accurate. If it turns out we have to replace a good PNG image with a not-as-good SVG image, that will be a step backwards. I hope you do agree. — Kpalion^(talk) 15:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Since it is getting too confusing for me, I will just use my main account now. What I have done so far is I changed the background to match. I do admit it doesn't look great with the display you have to the right, since some of the elements at the top and bottom are being squished to some degree by the formatting. I will have a sandbox set up where the arms can be compared. Second, about this gradient that you speak of, it can be done, but it will be a tricky process. I am not the only SVG person around, but as I said that I am not Polish and I cannot read Polish to a good degree, that will hurt me a lot. The thing that I will ask you to do now is see if there is a certain set of colors I should use for the Polish coat of arms. I know the red and white is fixes, but is there a certain shade of gold or grey I need to use? Other than those, I just think the gradient issue is the last to solve. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox has been made at User:Zscout370/Sandbox. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Only white and red are numerically specified by law. The gold of the eagle's crown, beak and claws is not, and neither are the gradient shades of its plumage. One more thing: I just noticed that in the current SVG version, the three gems that should be on the ring of the crown are missing. — Kpalion^(talk) 23:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that myself, so I will do that now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Updated. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing. Sorry for being that picky, but those little details are quite important. In the five-pointed stars on the eagle's wings, two points should be shorter than the other three. It's the result of a compromise made in 1990 between regular five-pointed stars and trefoils. — Kpalion^(talk) 23:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Being nitpicky is not an issue here; getting it right is. I'll fix those stars now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 00:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Updated again. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 00:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Good job. I think the only thing that remains to be done is the gradient shading to give the eagle (and its crown) the 3D look of the official design. — Kpalion^(talk) 00:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

And that is the sticking point (not with me, but with other users). I been shown many image of the coat of arms without this shading at all, so I have no idea what to do about it. It can be done, but it will be very tricky to do. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 00:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't speak for other users, but I would guess that they either didn't care much or they just pointed to what SVG image was available. As I wrote above, all I want is, for the sake of factual accuracy, to have an image that is as close to the official design (here's a scan of the attachment to the Coat of Arms Act) as possible. The shading is there to reflect the fact that the original design, made by Prof. Zygmunt Kamiński in 1927, was not a flat shield, but a relief. Unfortunately, Kamiński was an architect, not a heraldist, so this is not the only error (from a heraldic point of view) in Poland's current coat of arms. I don't know if you noticed, for example, that he carved out the crown with three fleurs-de-lys protruding out of the ring and then painted the entire crown gold – including spaces between the fleurs-de-lys – so you have to look really closely to actually discern these protrusions. — Kpalion^(talk) 01:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

And there is a lot of elements that I cannot see. There have been other attempts to do what you asked and came out with not so great results. I guess that is a problem of going from 3D to 2D. I tried to do the eagle's beak first, but the elements are not matching at all. I'm partially doing this because I am being screamed at for letting PNG's stand while SVG images are present. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you succeed in creating an SVG with the 3D look, that's great. But if you don't, then maybe we should look for a solution that would allow us to continue using PNGs without being screamed at. Like putting a comment on the SVG image pages that because of technical limitations of this graphics format they are not as factually accurate as their corresponding PNG versions. Otherwise we risk throwing the baby out with the bath water. — Kpalion^(talk) 01:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

And we could ask other artists to do the 3D look of the image. I pretty much done what I could with that image for right now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:LOTD

You are the nominator of a WP:FL that was promoted in the last month. I am inviting you to participate in nominations and voting in a List of the Day experiment I am conducting at WP:LOTD.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wesołych!

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Mpo-logo.PNG

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Added fair use rationale. Y Done — Kpalion^(talk) 23:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Krakow-banner.PNG

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Tag changed to Template:Polishsymbol Y Done — Kpalion^(talk) 23:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Krakow-coa.jpg

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Tag changed to Template:Polishsymbol Y Done — Kpalion^(talk) 23:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Krakow-seal.PNG

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Tag changed to Template:Polishsymbol Y Done — Kpalion^(talk) 23:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Polish national songs

Looking forward to the last red link in the Polish symbols template being filled! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:chandail de hockey

Hi. Thanks for the remider, although usually I would keep checking it. It is on my watchlist, but if I forget to check because I think the question has been left for a long time, then I might miss any potential replies. Also, the list of words without a liason/elison it so extensive! Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 23:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jadwiga of Poland

Cześć. Akurat wpadłam na ten artykuł i nie bardzo potrafię zrozumieć, co tam robi szablon Template:History of Bosnia (i w ogóle co w tym szablonie robią obie węgierskie królewny - związki dość dalekie). Mój pisany angielski jest taki sobie (delikatnie mówiąc ;-)), więc wolałabym nie usuwać sama, bo trudno by mi było jasno wyłożyć powody działania - może zatem Ty byś się ew. tego podjął? Pozdrawiam. Gytha (talk) 11:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Usunąłem szablon z artykułu o św. Jadwidze i odnośnik do niego z szablonu. Poprosiłem też autora szablonu, żeby się opanował. — Kpalion^(talk) 20:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Dziękuję. Gytha (talk) 23:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Cracovia.PNG

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Bishop of Kraków

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[edit] Gord (Slavic settlement)

I see you have a history of working on the article Gord (Slavic settlement). I am looking at it from the project Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles where it is one of the longest {{unreferenced}} tagged articles that does not meet at least the barest minimum of verifiability. It has been tagged and completely without references since June 2006. It would be extremely helpful if you had some references you could add to the article to help support its verifiability and notability. Thanks for any help you can give. BirgitteSB 19:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1 cent euro coin ...

... good changes. Can you please get the same changes done in the other euro coin pages? 7 more to go ... Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Y Done — Kpalion^(talk) 22:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, that was fast! Thanks! Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Iraq 2003 occupation.png

I noticed that the governorate borders in the 2003 occupation map do not coincide with the actual borders. For example, Anbar is split in half with the southern half joined to Karbala. Dahuk in the north also seems too big, while Kirkuk too small. You can see the difference quite clearly with the governorate map in commons:Atlas of Iraq. I'd fix it with the normal governorates map if I knew for sure that the zones coincided with governorates, but I'm not sure about this. If you can give me the source for the zone information then I can fix it up. Kelvinc (talk) 04:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good work on the anthem infobox

I really think you have done a great job improving the anthem infobox, Kpalion. The biggest improvement was the color change on the title bar. I was considering doing something to it myself, but you chose a color that is far superior to any I could have selected. The other features are very nice as well, but we will have to put some work into modifying the infoboxes to see the full benefits of your work. TFCforever (talk) 12:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Kpalion, are you going to do this for all anthems, or only for European anthems? Inkan1969 (talk) 20:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean here. The infobox will work for all countries and anyone can put the infobox in an article on any country's anthem. — Kpalion^(talk) 21:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so you're not going to put the infoboxes in all the anthem pages yourself, then? Inkan1969 (talk) 21:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

If I have time... Unless someone else does it before me. — Kpalion^(talk) 21:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tuđman-request move

Hi

Could you involve into this discussion ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Franjo_Tu%C4%91man#Requested_move

--Anto (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mazurek Dąbrowskiego

W ferworze walki zagubiłeś wytłumaczenie dlaczego Poznań się znalazł w hymnie. Nie chcę ci się wcinać podczas rekonstrukcji, ale dobrze by było abyś nie gubił informacji :) Radomil talk 22:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Resurgent discussion on pl Wiki about Polish flag colors

Hello. I realize that you mostly edit on the English Wikipedia, but as an editor who is not only interested in this topic but also one who has generated flag images, I think your considered opinion is needed on the Polish interwiki's talk page, what with the recent publication of a press article where the darkened white was reproduced in the internet press article independent of Wikipedian's calculations, therefore, changing the sourcing prospects considerably. Pozdrawiam, --Mareklug ^talk 20:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Faraon.jpg

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Y Done — Kpalion^(talk) 21:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested article

National symbols of Poland from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Lists_of_basic_topics/Draft/List_of_basic_Poland_topics; I thought it fits your interests :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)