Talk:Kobe beef/Archive 1

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Just because Lucies Farm has permission to reprint from Beef in Japan on the WWW, doesn't give Wikipedia permission to use the same material directly. I'm afraid that, as informative as it may be, that whole 80% or so of the article has to go, until someone can rewrite it in non-copyright-violating form (and preferably more specific to Kobe beef, less about general Japanese cattle husbandry, which belongs in a separate article).

Unless, of course, you get permission with a GFDL-compatible agreement from Prof. Longworth to let us have it. I doubt that Lucies Farm would have the legal right to grant us that themselves (even though they rather wrongly claim a copright for themselves at the bottom of that page). -- John Owens (talk) 20:50, 2005 August 22 (UTC)

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[edit] Error in article

In the article it says true Kobe beef in not exported from Japan, but I just paid $165 last night for a kobe steak dinner at MIX in Mandalay Bay Las Vegas. The staff explained to me that it was flown in from Japan and was not domestically raised.

You got ripped off, Japan exports NONE of its Kobe Wagyu product. The Wagyu in the USA is produced primarily for export as well, since the highest grades and quality are sent to Japan for the high prices they are willing to pay.

[edit] This article is written by a drunk man trying to impress a girl at a restaurant

From the article: "this beef is always at least several grades higher than USDA Prime." This statement is incoherent. USDA Prime is definitionally the highest grade. And grading just measures the marbling of beef. Its not some sliding scale of deliciousness.

Concur. What are the grades higher than USDA Prime? (Several grades implies that there are more than one.) Perhaps it could be reworked to indicate that the meat is still highly marbled, without resorting to superlatives. --Steelviper 16:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Technically its not correct, but the point of the matter is in comparison if you use a more definative grading scale such as the Aussie "Marbling Score" Scale, the Wagyu products tend to grade significantly higher. A USDA Prime tends to grade at the bottom of the MS Scale, with scores around MS2 to MS3, but the general Wagyu product would grade more in the range of MS 5-7 and the MS8-10 product is ALL exported from Australia (AND THE US) to Japan.
Australian marbling is 1-9. Anything considered over 9 is rated 9+. Japanese marbling scores go 1-12. Check page 8 [1] As an aside if you're Australian you can get 9+ beef at the new Rockpool in Melbourne so not all of it is going to Japan. I also know that several US restaurants are also serving Aussie 9+. Jaydjenkins 05:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

well, since it's exported, i guess it no longer qualifies as kobe steak when you ate it.

i was unaware that beef could be used in sashimi as stated in your article - surely this is a mistake?

At least check the sashimi article before deleting the link to it. John Reed Riley 04:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I casually happened upon this entry and found one seemingly drunken boast that i had to delete.. AND IM DRUNK! --Kvuo 05:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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I was under the impression Kobe beef is an accepted export of Japan. Is this incorrect? Is this because the population of Japan will pay more for this beef than the rest of the world? If so, can we include this in the article? K thx. - Anonymous 11:53, 07 September 2006 (UTC)

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 No it's not. The Japanese have a tendency to not export their
 finest things on purpose, not just beef or food in general. The
 idea is for you to go there in person to experience it. It's a
 sad but true fact.

 Lex

[edit] Kobe Bryant factoid

I deleted the mention of Kobe Bryant being named after beef, since Kobe is a relatively common African-american name that has a completely different etymology from Kobe beef.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

His parents did in fact name him after the Japanese beef after seeing Kobe beef on the menu of a Japanese restaurant prior to his birth. [2]

--TheAznSensation 23:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kobe Beef section question

I'd like to add a link to FAQs about Kobe beef, other than the one by Morgan Ranch, which sells something they call Kobe Beef, but which, in fact, is legally not. I won't slam Morgan Ranch in public though! Would this be alright? Friday33 16:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)Friday33

I would go further and say that if the Morgan Ranch link is providing incorrect information about Kobe Beef, then it should be removed. I was personally thinking about adding a section to talk about some of the improper use of the phrase "Kobe Beef" in the US. If the FAQ is more specific about Wagyu beef from Kobe and you feel that it is a non-trivial source then add it! Jaydjenkins 05:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)