Talk:Knight Bachelor
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[edit] Post nominals
Post nominals: "It is doubtful whether this enjoys official sanction"? So it's not official then... and this assertion should not be here. "Kt" is wrong. The reference is to the order of wear list which summarises which honours may or may not have post nominals. Knights bachelor are not entitled to do so.
- It doesn't say it's not wrong, it say it's often used, which is correct. Proteus (Talk) 21:46, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- Indeed. I've clarified that and the bit about what women get instead. Also added in an example of someone who is - exceptionally - allowed to use the "Kt" because he got his Knight Bachelor before succeeding to the Baronetcy. I'll see if I can find a picture of the badge and perhaps add to this page a bit - it seems a shame it's not quite as informative as the articles covering the orders. Wiki-Ed 12:59, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- The UK College of Arms appears to use Kt. for Knight on all occasions and in all documents under the Earl marshal's and Queen's Warrants. That doesn't change the fact it's not used in any other contextAlci12
- Indeed. I've clarified that and the bit about what women get instead. Also added in an example of someone who is - exceptionally - allowed to use the "Kt" because he got his Knight Bachelor before succeeding to the Baronetcy. I'll see if I can find a picture of the badge and perhaps add to this page a bit - it seems a shame it's not quite as informative as the articles covering the orders. Wiki-Ed 12:59, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- It's much better now. (I'm glad you removed the nonsense about female Knights Bachelor, or Dames Bachelor, or Dames Spinster, or whatever silly name they'd be called.) There seem to be very few pictures of the Knight Bachelor's badge online, and those there are seem to be copyrighted, which is a problem, but I'm sure there'll be one somewhere if we look hard enough. Proteus (Talk) 15:10, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Picture
The picture added by ESQ24 appears to be the same as the one on www.medals.org.uk. The copyright status needs to be determined or it will have to go... which would be a shame because it's a nice one. Wiki-Ed 13:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] A question
Is it possible that a Knight Bachelor been awarded a KBE or vice versa ? Siyac 18:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- No & yes. I can't think of any circumstances or any historic examples where someone with a knighthood has been made a Knight Bachelor. However giving a Knight Bachelor a KBE (or another order) is fairly common as the former is the lowest rung on the ladder and promotions are normal. As a general rule of thumb your get promoted through the various orders both in terms of the ranks in each orders and within the ranking of an order.[All assuming whatever you do qualifies you for multiple orders in terms of their awarding guidelines - ie KCMG is for 'diplomats'] As an example Sir Mike Jackson was awarded the MBE in 1979, the CBE in 1992, the CB in 1996, the KCB in 1998 and more recently was awarded the GCB. The only obvious exceptions are when they run out of things to give! Various wartime generals picked up anything going and in recent times you have had Lord [Seb] Coe getting KBE after already being a peer which is very much a backwards step ;) Assuming a successful 2012 Olympics and old age and he'll probably get his KG. As to your specific example, David Phillips was Knight Batchelor in 1979, Knight Commander, Order of the British Empire (KBE) in 1989 and appointed in 1994 to a Life Peerage as Baron Phillips of Ellesmere. Alci12 15:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Can only Britians be Knights?
- As I understand it any subject of the monarch can be knighted. But for subjects in Commonwealth countries the British government have to get approval of the Commonwealth government before an award can be made and several of the Commonwealth governments (particularly Canada and Australia, not sure about others) now have standing policy to refuse recomendations for honours. A couple of Australians have been knighted in recent years - David Smith, but as KCVO, which is entirely the monarch's personal award and so doesn't go through the government - and Robert May, who probably had British citizenship as well. Timrollpickering 11:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
