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Contents 1 New visitors' center 2 School of the Apostles 3 Nauvoo 4 School 5 Images 6 Editor submittal 7 Common Kirtland Temple Myths section

[edit] New visitors' center

An anon. editor jumped in here with enthusiasm to make one of his/her first edits on 18 Feb 2005. Unfortunately the sentence he/she added included a term which is neither obvious nor defined ("spiritual formation center"). I have removed it until we can get some clarity on its meaning. --Blainster 09:04, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Kirtland Temple has plans to build a new visitors' center more suitable for the number of visitors they have been getting in recent years. The current visitors' center has a book store, theater, and a few historical items on display. From what I understand, plans for the new center hope to incorporate Community of Christ's mission today—as a church that pursues peace and justice, and promotes communities of wholeness and healing of spirit. I don't really know any of the specifics but this is what the author was refering to by "spiritual formation center". --Dbolton 19:57, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It would be fine to put something about this in the article once it is explained and perhaps even existing. --Blainster 20:02, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] School of the Apostles

"School of the Apostles" is the phrase used to describe the 2nd floor of the temple. "School of the Prophets" was the phrase used to describe the classes and meetings that took place above the Whitney Store.--Dbolton 02:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nauvoo

The construction section references the Nauvoo temple but this is completely out of context to the reader who is not familiar with Church history. Can we put in some background on why Nauvoo is relevant? --Chrispounds 12:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] School

I have heard that at one point in time it was used as a schoolhouse, and that one of the Presidents of the United States actually studied there as a boy. Could anyone confirm or deny this, and if it is true, it merits mention in the article.--Isaac Crumm 22:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The third floor of the Temple was used as a schoolhouse by the Church, but President James Garfield did not attend this school as a boy. In 1876, Garfield bought a house in the next town over, Mentor, Ohio. He was an adult, running for president at that time.--Dbolton 06:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I am looking for high resolution (300 ppi) images that would print well and are in the public domain. I see the existing image doesn't have high resolution (per the note). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.114.32 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editor submittal

The following was submitted on the Restorationism article by User:Airamerica. May be more appropriate incorporated here. WBardwin (talk) 04:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Three necessary acts which fulfilled covenants from Heavenly Father occurred on April 3, 1836 at the Kirtland, Ohio Temple. Moses appeared before Joseph Smith Jr. and Oliver Cowdery and committed unto them the keys for the gathering of lost Israel. Following the closing of that vision another opened and Elias appeared and committed to them, the gospel of Abraham saying that in them and all generations after them would be blessed.

Following this another vision burst upon them and they saw and talked with Elijah the Prophet who was taken from the earth without tasting death, and he stood before them and said, "Behold, the time has fully come which was spoken of by the mouth of Malachi -- testifying that he [Elijah] should be sent, before the great and dreadful day of the Lord come-- To turn the hearts of the fathers to the childred, and the children to the fathers, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse."

So on that day, three prophetic events were completed. The beginning of the gathering of the lost tribes of Israel, the restoration of the Abrahamic covenant, and the keys of Elijah for the redemption of the dead. The completion of these three necessary events before the end times is unknown in any other Restorationists. (See the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 110 verses 11-16)

[edit] Common Kirtland Temple Myths section

Someone recently added a section called "Common Kirtland Temple Myths". Does this seem inappropriate to anyone else besides me? For one, there are no sources given for the myths, leading me to believe that it is original research, but it also seems to violate guidelines regarding words to avoid and weasel words. I would remove the section, but if some sources are found, it may be possible to integrate these facts(?) into other sections. – jaksmata 15:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I have encountered these myths myself (and would not label the section "original research"). Having a section dedicated to "Common Kirtland Temple Myths," however, does give the topic undue focus since the majority of readers will not have heard these myths. I would recommend integrating information from this section into the article by stating the facts that contradict these myths rather than referring to the myths directly.--Dbolton (talk) 06:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and reorganized the myths into other parts of the article. I have doubts that the roof was red originally, but I don't have time to research that right now. Do any of the already given references mention original colors or details on the construction materials? – jaksmata 15:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Elwin Robison's book (listed in the references) is the best place to look for this information, but I don't have access to it right now. Original stucco from the exterior is on display at the visitor's center. It is blue-grey. (see also photos from 1875, 1885 and 1890). --Dbolton (talk • contribs) 00:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)