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Contents 1 Ghost kings 2 Psalmanazar 3 Old-Assyrian chronology? 4 See also

[edit] Ghost kings

Matatat Erishu (III) & Shamshi-Adad (II) seem reduplicated in the Old Assyrian list

And there are also two kings Erishum I (1939-1900 and 1906-1867). These problems apparently arise because data from different and mutually exclusive chronologies have been combined. I will make some changes to make the chronology more consistent. - Hans van Deukeren 14:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Regrettably there remains a break in the chronology because apparently the dates given for the reigns before Erishum III (ca. 1570 BC) are still "traditional" (based on King List A instead of B and C, contrary to was is said in the Introduction?), thus leading to a chronological jump of 18 or 19 years in the 16th century BC. I do not know of an elegant solution to this problem, so in the list I simply give both Erishum III datings with a minimal explanation.

Another problem is the date given for Ushpia (ca. 2020 BC). This date leaves no room for the ten generation dynasty of "kings who were forefathers" between him and Sulili and Kikkia (ca. 2000 BC)? - Hans van Deukeren 16:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC); and Hans van Deukeren 17:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Psalmanazar

Which .Shalmaneser gave name to George Psalmanazar?

[edit] Old-Assyrian chronology?

I’m little bit surprised with the middle Assyrian dates. According to my own research there is none available. The source for some Assyrian kings given is Who's Who in the Ancient Near East, by Gwendolyn Leick. The source Leick used was Grayson – Assyrian inscriptions from 1972. According to chronology used in this book there are no available dates between Mut-Ashkur and Enlil-nasir II. We should not forget that there is very little archeologic material from this time. What often is availble is an amount of years the kings reigned according to later kinglists. Veenhof recently published an article(K. Veenhof, Akkadica 119-120, p. 137-150) giving the new dates for old-Assyrian kings from Erishum I to Shamshi-Adad I. I suggest the following here: Either someone provide a good source for those old Assyrian kings or we delete the years of the Assyrian kings between Shamshi-Adad I and Enlil-nasir II and we replace them with the years given to them by later traditions. We also change the dates from the first old Assyrian to the chronology according to Veenhof. Opinions? Djaser 17:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Very confusing indeed.

Erishum I

1939-1900, or c.1906-1867 [[1]]

1906 - 1867 [2]

1934-1900. [3]

2022-2004 [4]

1940-1910 [5]

1906 - 1867 - Cambridge ancient history By Cambridge University Press - [6]

Dont know what to do. Chaldean 19:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

There seem to be a high, a middle, and a low chronology. We should have all tree of them. The thing is that I need to find a complete table with all the concerning dates, I hope that I soon will the time to do so. There are really a lot dates missing from the Middle Assyrian period on the contrary what this article means, I will delete the concerning dates soon. Djaser 13:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey people, I hope you don't mind but I am going to use this source: Bertman, Stephen (2005). Handbook to Life in Ancient Mesopotamia. New York: Oxford UP.  and fill in any blanks or any specualtions. Tourskin 23:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] See also

Talk:Chronology of the Ancient Orient