Talk:Kim Yu-Na

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I made some significant changes and pleased to others have made further edits, but I don't agree with some of the changes.

First I'm not sure putting "Personal life" instead "Early Career" is necessarily a good idea . The short length of the section and the ending sentence of "She moved to Toronto, Canada in 2006 to train" seem very awkward. IMHO it should be something more along the line of "she moved her full-time training base to Toronto in 2006," which I think is more appropriate if you look at the information from the article. Also I think it's better to separate Kim's early career prior to the 2004-2005 season from the rest, especially as her career goes on further.

Speaking of the Toronto cricket club and Brian Orser, both are highly symbolic entities in the Canadian figure skating world, and I think putting in a word such as "famed" to emphasize such distinction is more than appropriate in this case.

Also I think describing her as "media figure" as opposed to "media darling" is a misnomer. Not only the nuance is quite different, but the media darling is more indicative of what was described in the referenced article. Furthermore Kim commented in a number of published interviews how comforting it is to be away from the media attention by training in Toronto I think a "celebrity" would be a far more accurate description than a "media figure," and not sure if it's necessary to remove the "media circus" part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.21.99 (talk) 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi. :) I split off Personal Life because that's the way some other skaters's articles are structured, with a seperate part for personal life, and I figured what with the way this article has been growing, it might be a useful section to have. I didn't keep the "early career" vs "late career" because I didn't think that the "career" section was long enough to need splitting, but I have no problem with a split being there. I would just like it to have some more information on her early career, i.e., before her Junior Grand Prix debut, so that her early career isn't just "she won nationals at age 12". As for the Cricket Club and Brian Orser, I removed the over description of "famed", etc, because, imho, on Wikipedia, famed = notable, and if they aren't notable, they don't have articles. Since they do have articles, they are notable. As for her position in the media, I don't like the terms "media darling" and "media circus" because they have an implied value judgement, which an encyclopedia should try to avoid. As for "media celebrity", I don't know, has she crossed over that much? I know she's a "sports celebrity", but I don't know that much about her status in South Korean media, other than the fact that she's done a lot of commercials. Some more sources and/or examples on this would be great. :) Kolindigo (talk) 22:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. Hmm, I highly disagree on the notion that putting the qualifier "famed" implies "notable." There is a huge difference between a symbolic figure and merely a notable one. For example Kim's choreographer David Wilson was a figure skater and is notable, but there's nothing extraordinary about him and thus does not deserve such qualification. Orser on the other hand is one of best known and popular figure skater in Canadian history without any argument, and his list of achievements speaks for itself. As much as an implied value judgment can be dangerous, I think it's going too far when one ignores the factual level of renown proven by the person's history.

Also "media circus" is actually not my word, but is taken straight from the referenced IFS article. Kim also briefly mentions the media attention she has gotten in her home country in that article as well.

My problem with the word "media figure" is that it is a more fitting description for a person whose job is in the media such as an announcer, a show host, etc, and yes, she's everywhere and everyone knows her now in the country. :) It would be helpful if I bring in references written in Korean, but I'm not sure how credible my translation would be.