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I am willing to take photos

Hello. I am living in Kyiv now and I am willing to take photos (Metros, streets, buildings, statues... whatever) but would like to know what is most needed. Is there a list that I missed and if not can we come up with one? Thanks. Greg.ory 16:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Publish them on Commons, Metro is desperately needed. Please register so that you have a talk page and I tell you details of what is required.--Kuban kazak 16:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I've registered (as Greg.ory) what do I need to do for you to be able to post on my talk page? Greg.ory 16:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Nothing, just wait for me to post now...:)-Kuban kazak 17:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The Kyiv sound-bite

The Ukrainian one, not the Russian one. It's barely intelligible, at least to my ears. It seems truncated and somewhat muffled. Maybe someone would like to re-record it and upload a better and improved version. Peter1968 14:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes please, its difficult to make sense of the Kyiv/Kyiv issue without knowing how the latter ought to sound. People tend to forget that simple convenience of pronunciation in the "host" language is an important issue in toponymy. Sumergocognito 07:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Rearrange pix

could someone please rearrange the galleries into logical groupings? (example: Cathedrals and churches gallery, Buildings gallery, Monumentsallery) or something similar? WoodElf 06:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Categories

Correct me if I am mistaken, but shouldn't we include Kiev into the Category:Holy cities as Kiev is listed here? —dima /sb.tk/ 00:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but under Eastern Orthodox, not Ethiopian holy cities.--Riurik 21:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Demographics Table

Historical populations
Census Pop.  %±
1979 2,144,000 N/A
1989 2,595,000 +21.0%
2001 2,611,327 +0.6%
2005 2,660,401 +1.8%
* data source: [1]

I made up the table of demographics, but could not figure out a way to cite within the table. So instead, I inserted a temporary sentence in the section's 1st paragraph. If you can fix it please do.--Riurik 21:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I tried also, and could not do it in a reasonable way: It'll work if we place the <ref></ref> on the pop. numbers like so.
The histpop template doesn't allow for a citation. I think the table has to be remade from scratch (not too hard, using the template as a prototype), or the template must be modified to allow this. I can do this, but I won't have time for two or three days. —Michael Z. 2006-07-29 06:48 Z
The Histpop template will work with citations, using either <ref></ref> or <ref>{{cite}}. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest putting the reference in the footnote section. Change the above table to reflect that. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Climate table

I made a new table based on the found here. It took some time recalculating mm > inches, etc, and changing the color codes, but in the end it looks good. Numbers/calculations were double checked, and the table seems to be accurate and ready for everyone's scrutiny.--Riurik 18:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Holy city?

Could someone explain this one being categorized as a holy city (Category:Holy cities) and being added to the List of holy cities as "Origin of Slavic Christianity"? Kiev has nothing to do with the "origin of Slavic Christianity", which emerged in Great Moravia and the First Bulgarian Empire in the middle of the 9th century, whereas Kievan Rus' wasn't Christianized until as late as 988. That said, I've reworded the thing as "Origin of East Slavic Christianity" and I'd like to see some evidence as to whether Kiev is really considered a "holy city" by the Orthodox Christians and why. No offence, but I wouldn't categorize a city that is not of universal Orthodox ecclesiastical importance as a holy city. If no convincing evidence is provided, I shall remove it from the category it doesn't belong to and remove it from the list of holy cities. Todor→Bozhinov 16:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing it. Todor→Bozhinov 10:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Restoring as an origin of East Slavic Christianity. "The supreme centre and for all time is Jerusalem. But there are other lesser historic centres - Rome, Constantinople, Kiev, Moscow." [1] --KPbIC 06:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Picture Gallery

I suggest that the picture galleries from architectural monuments and views of kiev be merged into a single Picture Gallery at the end of the article, before the references. --WoodElf 09:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Adding new link to External links

Hello, recently I've added new link to External links, but wiki moderator removed it. This site (www.mykiev.info) doesn't advertise anything, but only gives the most full information about Kiev landmarks. There is no any analogue site in the internet both in Russian and English languages, so I think it worth adding. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zakusha (talk • contribs) 15:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia is not a repository of links. Please, also read WP:EL -- Serguei Trouchelle 17:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Of course I understand this, however mykiev.info is the single site in External links section which presents full information about Kiev's history, landmarks, monuments, churches, famous kievans, museums, theatres, restaurants, fast-foods etc. There is no similar projects on the web.

Upcoming constructions

About the article, it would be nice to have a section devoted to upcoming constructions in the city. — Alex (T|C|E) 05:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

On priorities again

Having waged a blatant propaganda war on Ukrainian pages, Muscovian editors are significantly damaging non-political, but top-important, pages in the first place. Like this one.

I mean we almost live at Soviet partisans, bloody Red Army and History of Сhristianity in Ukraine conducting edit wars there for years. But just take look at city and oblast pages!!! A "Federal city"?! "The city istelf designated as its own raion"? Kyiv Oblast ODA Chief is chairing the Oblast Council? The Mayor is "traditionally appointed" as KMDA chief? While me and my friends are busy with propagandists, important pages are being gradually destroyed by good-intended amateurs!

Normal users have no other choice, but to mobilize ourselves, split our attempts and start reanimating/developing geo articles like Kiev. Of course keeping eye on existing edit wars as well.AlexPU 20:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do not rant and formulate your propositions in some sort of intelligible form. --Irpen 02:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought I was clearly addressing normal users, not concentrated on Muscovian propaganda and intrigues. I.e., not you Irpen.AlexPU 11:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Easy, easy... Propoganda doesn't stick around long, just don't forcefully remove it. :-) Also, be nice to other Wikipedians. I doubt anybody is here to spread propoganda, and every article is a compromise between many people's points of view, which helps make it neutral. — Alex (T|C|E) 03:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

On priorities. "Transport" section has grown too large. I think it needs a separate main article (with updated info on how many new tram lines Lyonia the Cosmos is going to launch :)). AlexkHristov, thanks for your peaceful message. The other Alex is being dangerously straightforward and emotional here :(. As for propaganda, it's flourishing here just like he says :((((. Cheers, Ukrained 20:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. AlexPU, why don't you go and take care of that Kyiv Oblast mistake? As a "father" of all UA-subdivisions info here? Ukrained 20:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Now I don't think it is necessarily that long.. If it could be expanded some more, including like you said Kiev tram info and bridges of Kiev, then perhaps it could be spun off the main article.. Lets go ahead and try it... —dima/s-ko/ 21:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Correct format

  • Introduction:
  • History
  • major historical events that occurred in city
  • Law and government
  • Mayor or City Executive-- current, previous executives
  • representative body?
  • Geography
  • Physical geography (area, unique features)
  • Major Parks
  • Transportation
  • Economy
  • Major industries/products
  • taxes
  • Demographics
  • city population
  • racial/ethnic makeup
  • religious makeup
  • Sites of interest
  • Education
  • Public
    • Private
    • Colleges and universities
  • Sports teams
  • Notable natives
  • (Miscellaneous topics and similar lists)
  • External links

The above is the correct format as per WP:CITIES. Please try to follow it. --WoodElf 10:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

There are lots of problems with implementing the proposed format and there is no need for all city articles to be alike. Different articles may be good each in their own way. --Irpen 22:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Cuisine section

Is it just me or this section is odd? It is strange, fringe and unwikified. It also carries the tl:expand which places this not so bad article in a whole lot of uncalled for categories. --Irpen 22:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Cuisine

{{Expand-section|date=April 2007}} <!-- This section is criticizing local cuisine (but strangely never directly discusses Ukrainian/Slavic food) and cites no sources; it is completely subjective in nature. It doesn't even make any real assertions for that matter... The second statement in particular sounds like it came out of an episode of "$40 a Day." The comparison made is ambiguous... I don't know anything about the local cuisine of Kiev but I do know that this wasn't writing about it.-->

Kiev is also a great place for the food lovers, and not only those who have been fond of Ukrainian cuisine. An increasing number of international travelers, as well as the interest with which the Ukrainian city dwellers approach, have spurred a steady growth of bars and diners ranging from Japanese sushi-bars to traditional Italian and Spanish restaurants.

While there is about as much contrast between these in terms of quality of food served as there is between the social classes in Ukraine, the majority of eateries tend to be overpriced, however featuring polite and thorough services.

Per lack of reaction, I am moving it here. Please comment. --Irpen 00:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure we even need a cuisine section. Other then food in Kiev being much more expensive for foreigners there's really nothing speicial about it (or at least nothing different from the food in other Ukrainian cities). Thanks, Bogdan 11:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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